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General Chat Thread, Well said that head. in General; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6511759.stm In her speech, Dr Bousted will also call for national pay and conditions for school support staff. These education ...
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    Well said that head.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6511759.stm

    In her speech, Dr Bousted will also call for national pay and conditions for school support staff.

    These education workers have been "failed" by most local authorities who have left them at the bottom of the pay scale, she will claim.

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    Re: Well said that head.

    Makes my union dues seem almost worthwhile...

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    Re: Well said that head.

    So that is 2 unions on our side now. ATL and ASCL.

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    Re: Well said that head.



    I was just wondering what latest was on the national pay scale was maybe unison, gmb etc etc are getting support

    Interesting I was in speech by person in charge of ASCL and he was on about the fact that will be shortage of people for SLT jobs wanted to ask him (but didn't get a chance) how/should the goverment encourge suppot staff into slt roles maybe should email them..


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    Re: Well said that head.

    I came across this position at the weekend; at least it would appear some schools are taking the role of support staff seriously.

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    Re: Well said that head.

    I came across this position at the weekend; at least it would appear some schools are taking the role of support staff seriously
    This sounds to me like you should maybe read "Director of Administration and Information Systems " as Business Manager in most schools.

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    Re: Well said that head.

    Those support staff roles usually seem well-catered for (TAs, Admin etc). It's the technically-minded ones such as ourselves that often end up at the bottom of the scale.

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    Re: Well said that head.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravening_Wolf
    I came across this position at the weekend; at least it would appear some schools are taking the role of support staff seriously.
    I dunno this is more a senior management role similar to what GrumbleDook does.

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    Re: Well said that head.

    Quote Originally Posted by webman
    Those support staff roles usually seem well-catered for (TAs, Admin etc). It's the technically-minded ones such as ourselves that often end up at the bottom of the scale.
    Really? Now IT staff may be payed less than teaching staff but I am not aware that we are payed less well than non-managerial admin (bursers, SMT PAs, busniess managers etc).

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    Re: Well said that head.

    We are payed LOT less than bursers, business managers... (as these posts are smt/manager based posts)

    But paid better sometimes than ta,lsa, admins..

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    Re: Well said that head.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ravening_Wolf
    I came across this position at the weekend; at least it would appear some schools are taking the role of support staff seriously.
    If you look at what they are calling the post i.e. SLT position and when you compare the salary with that of a teacher on the SLT you will find it sadly lacking. I would think for a professional in that position with the responsibility of whole school data and PR roles, salary should be starting at approx 40k which i fear is what a teacher with that much responsibility would be on if not more. Same as always nothing ever changes.

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    Re: Well said that head.

    Fortunately pay is not the main reason I come to work. Having a wife and kids counts as a full-time job for me, so my "job" is what I think of as a paid hobby!

    I like the concept of the advertised job but I enjoy the technical project aspect of my current job which wouldn't be available to me anymore.

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    Re: Well said that head.

    Ouch I hope your wife and kids don't read this forum with you calling them a "Full-time Job" I would get linched for that!!

    Yes I think pay is not the main reason, if I didn't have a mortgage, debts and a healthy social life I would do it for free!!! 8O ................not.

    I love the fact that I can go to work in the morning and be there for 7 o'clock without any traffic problems and then go home around 4 ish to enjoy my family when I get home. I think if you want a high paid job you've got to be looking at the corporate rat race.

    Oh and of course when its end of term holidays we can start later and finish at 3...or 2.15 ....must go

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    Re: Well said that head.

    I too get great satisfaction in what i attain here at the school and ordinarily would do it for free but in reality i do as much for the kids as what the teachers do and have a lot more responsibility in real terms.

    What i do expect is the same professional pay and status within the school to which they have.I do not feel that this is an unreasonable request. I have the same qualifications as most of my professional colleagues in some cases better and i get quite a considerably amount less in pay.

    It seems that teachers can start on an NQT rate which is equal to what i earn now approx and within a year depending on which dept they could find themselves promoted to head of dept with a great increase in pay.

    I on the other hand have had to wait for 4 years before they will even look at my pay. It beggars belief that every year i have to go through the same old procedure and beg for a pay rise when teachers get theirs automatically. All webman and myself keep getting told is their is not enough in the budget.

    Are their anymore NM's and ICT Technicians who get treat like this or are we the only ones

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    Re: Well said that head.

    Quote Originally Posted by bossman
    Quote Originally Posted by Ravening_Wolf
    I came across this position at the weekend; at least it would appear some schools are taking the role of support staff seriously.
    If you look at what they are calling the post i.e. SLT position and when you compare the salary with that of a teacher on the SLT you will find it sadly lacking. I would think for a professional in that position with the responsibility of whole school data and PR roles, salary should be starting at approx 40k which i fear is what a teacher with that much responsibility would be on if not more. Same as always nothing ever changes.
    I can confirm that it is usual for members of the SMT/SLT who are not qualified teachers to be paid less than those that are. It is getting better slowly but surely ...

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