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30th April 2011, 12:39 AM #16
I wouldn't worry about Cinavia too much. Verance was the company who also designed the copy protection and watermarking technology used on DVD-Audio discs and look how that turned out.
In addition to that, the HDCP master key was leaked last year which would make it possible to intercept the protected audio and video streams as they leave the playback device.
DVD-Audio's copy protection was overcome in 2005 by tools which allow data to be decrypted or converted to 6 channel .WAV files without going through lossy digital-to-analog conversion. Previously that conversion had required expensive equipment to retain all 6 channels of audio rather than having it downmixed to stereo. In the digital method, the decryption is done by a commercial software player which has been patched to allow access to the unprotected audio.
In 2007 the encryption scheme was overcome with a tool called dvdcpxm. In 12 February 2008 a program called DVD-Audio Explorer was released, containing aforementioned libdvdcpxm coupled with an open source MLP decoder.
Like DVD-Video decryption, such tools may be illegal to use in the United States under the controversial Digital Millennium Copyright Act. While the Recording Industry Association of America has been successful in keeping these tools off websites, they are still distributed on P2P file sharing networks and newsgroups. Additionally, in 2007 the widely-used commercial software DVDFab Platinum added DVD-Audio decryption, allowing users to backup a full DVD-A image to ISO. (Source
If links appearing on Twitter are to be believed (and right now thereís no reason to doubt them) then the master key for High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) has been revealed, making the DRM baked into devices such as Blu-ray players effectively dead.
This is a big deal. Very big deal. It means that while HDCP devices have their own set of keys that can be revoked when they enter the public domain, uncovering the master key means that new source or sink keys can be created and thereís nothing that can be done to block them short of changing the master key, and thatís not going to happen. Why? Because changing the master key would effectively kill all current players, set-top boxes and HDMI-enabled devices. While some devices have upgradable firmware, plenty donít, making a change of master key implausible. So, if this is the real deal, HDCP is dead. (Source
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30th April 2011, 12:43 AM #17
Sadly though arthur without making a filter to remove the audio tag breaking hdcp would make no difference which is the point, its an audio tag that plays recognise and block but you cant perceive it and without filtering the stuff out which is possible with hassle but thats the point, control it enough to make it a hassle.
30th April 2011, 01:50 AM #18
Good point. I suppose the way around it would be to use open source media players such as MPC-HC, VLC or MPlayer to playback the Cinavia-protected content on your computer.
SlySoft also seem confident they will be able to remove this copy protection. We shall see.
30th April 2011, 01:52 AM #19
Yeh an audio filter could do it and chapter filter.
Originally Posted by Arthur
One thing to consider though is that if Windows 8/OSX whatever include it they could detect it coming from vlc and block access in theory, stealth drm to the max. Hell in theory your tv could turn off and walk out the room if it has the nasty audio pass by its way
Last edited by ZeroHour; 30th April 2011 at 01:55 AM.
30th April 2011, 02:09 AM #20
That has brought a great image to my mind now of my TV running out of my room and out of hte house and streams of them doing that down the roads back to the local cop shops lol
Originally Posted by ZeroHour
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30th April 2011, 05:50 AM #21
Could be fun though, burn off the DRM audio signal to a CD then drive around town cranking it (as its inaudable it would look innocent) near news events and such nuking TVs off. How many live feeds could you kill before they caught on.
Last edited by SYNACK; 30th April 2011 at 05:53 AM.
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30th April 2011, 06:29 AM #22
makes a lot more sense after the edit
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30th April 2011, 09:34 AM #23
I'd never want to leave my TV to play media files - all Windows Media Centre here that way when in 2014 and some new format comes out and Microsoft releases an update to play it I don't have to worry about if Sony will go and release new firmware for the TV.
30th April 2011, 11:29 AM #24
just been looking into that the desktop experience role was installed (i wanted aero and gadgets (yes i know)) and the media streaming option just arnt there just get a "this page failed to load" if i try and change teh media sharing options. googling it just end up with other people saying the same.
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So im downloading home server 2011 from technet ive a spare 250gb drive (the drive the server came with used my own 160gb so i could test various os's etc using the 250 as storage
30th April 2011, 04:19 PM #25
A HTPC does seem like the best solution since it is far more flexible, particularly with HEVC (a.k.a. H.265) on the way (early 2013) and the ability to use PCIe cards (DVB-T2 etc.).
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Have you seen this website: http://www.win2008r2workstation.com/?
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30th April 2011, 04:36 PM #26
yup it just seems to be something that dosent exist in 08r2. Ive got home server 11 onnow damned thing decided to take one of my raid arrays (luckily the one that was near empty ) break the mirror and wipe the drive for its own folder structure grrr but thank f it wasnt the mirror with 1.? tb of stuff on just the few 100 gb of docs/music/os cds etc
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