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General Chat Thread, I think I've found a AV suite worse than Sophos.... in General; Originally Posted by glennda Wait till you have to work with Mcaffe! it's awful but it only costs us 50 ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennda View Post
    Wait till you have to work with Mcaffe!

    it's awful but it only costs us 50 quid per year!
    Mcafee

    We use this here and had no trouble, actually I lie there 8.5 was pathetic and did eat a lot of processor/memory. Since upgrading to 8.7i which I have just been dishing out with Epolicy Orchestrator I have a much better system.

    Only wish it could detect all the new trojans/junk crap appearing on sites.

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    Interesting to see this many replies to the thread and AVG not mentioned once. Does that mean no-one uses it or that people use/used it and have no strong opinion of it either way? We use it here and have no problems with it, but then I don't really have anything to benchmark it against as the only other time I've had to administer AV was 12 years ago.

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    Sophos still seems more than happy to let Fake AV install itself and then not do anything.

    I want to get my hands on the Avast Enterprise version.

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    I have used Kaspersky for some 3-4 years now, and I have to say i really like it.

    It's versatility in what it can do is what impresses me. It has so many customiseable options for it, and the best point for me has been Kaspersky support. I've rung up kaspersky about the most silly of things, some of it not even related to their AV, and the first person i've spoken to has known what I'm talking about, and fixed the problem immediately.
    I've also reported new strains of viruses before, sent them the info while on the phone to them, and then had an email back within 1-2 hours saying "push out an update now" and they've uploaded the new virus definitions worldwide with the new strain.

    I've had a couple of niggly troubles with kaspersky, they've had some bugs, but they've always either advised a workaround as a temporary fix, or fixed the problem for us. Password protection options for enabling/disabling features, ability to control what different groups/users can/cannot access, multiple update sources, migration tools for the admin kit, network scanning and agent systems for tracking machines with/without AV or missing updates....

    Had Sophos here before, and it didn't update properly, it could be switched off with one button click, it didn't pickup the most basic of viruses, it slowed the machines down heavily, and the admin kit borked and couldn't recover it.

    I've also tried symantec suite, and that didn't have the customisability, was even worse for machine resource hogging, and the server version of it could be uninstalled with a single click without even a reboot! Newer versions are better I have no doubt and come with the new features, but over the years kaspersky has proved the best allround AV package.

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    No way is Kaspersky worse than Sophos!

    Sophos was incapable of...

    - updating a machine without slowing it to a crawl
    - scheduling updates to run at a specified time
    - telling me what action it had taken if it found a virus
    - telling me which virus a machine actually had, it only managed "virus detected!"
    - telling me if the computer was clean afterwards
    - remotely initiating a scan
    - blocking spam emails with porn in the message (spam score 10% reaaallly)
    - staying online for more than 2 weeks at a time without trashing Exchange services (Puremessage)

    I had online exams that nearly got cancelled due to Sophos trashing the machines, was so relieved when we dropped it for KAV. Not sure if Sophos still have the dialog box that says default action when finding a virus "do nothing". Apparently it actually means something different but always found it quite a funny option seeing as that's what Sophos tended to do anyway!

    Have to admit Kaspersky hasn't been without issues...

    - we evaluated the MP3 release at the time, they then brought out MP4 which was awful until they brought out a fix for it
    - some updates bring new bugs (Outlook has been a recent victim)
    - Proactive Defense is useless and has shedloads of false positives, solution... turn it off

    However the management console is spot on, tells me what I need to know and deploys fine. Chances are I'll stick with it as MS Forefront is the only alternative but I'm not convinced about my AV using Windows Update as it's the first thing that any virus \ worm worth its salt will disable...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gshaw View Post
    No way is Kaspersky worse than Sophos!

    Sophos was incapable of...

    - updating a machine without slowing it to a crawl
    - scheduling updates to run at a specified time
    - telling me what action it had taken if it found a virus
    - telling me which virus a machine actually had, it only managed "virus detected!"
    - telling me if the computer was clean afterwards
    - remotely initiating a scan
    - blocking spam emails with porn in the message (spam score 10% reaaallly)
    - staying online for more than 2 weeks at a time without trashing Exchange services (Puremessage)

    I had online exams that nearly got cancelled due to Sophos trashing the machines, was so relieved when we dropped it for KAV. Not sure if Sophos still have the dialog box that says default action when finding a virus "do nothing". Apparently it actually means something different but always found it quite a funny option seeing as that's what Sophos tended to do anyway!

    Have to admit Kaspersky hasn't been without issues...

    - we evaluated the MP3 release at the time, they then brought out MP4 which was awful until they brought out a fix for it
    - some updates bring new bugs (Outlook has been a recent victim)
    - Proactive Defense is useless and has shedloads of false positives, solution... turn it off

    However the management console is spot on, tells me what I need to know and deploys fine. Chances are I'll stick with it as MS Forefront is the only alternative but I'm not convinced about my AV using Windows Update as it's the first thing that any virus \ worm worth its salt will disable...
    How long ago did you use Sophos?

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    I've always found Sophos to be okay, never had any problems.

    Now Symantec Anti-Virus (corporate edition, not home!) USED to be a good product until it all changed to SEP! (EndPoint)...............

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK-2 View Post
    How long ago did you use Sophos?
    We dropped it in 2008 or 2009. I liked being told that visiting a machine manually was the only way to view its logs at the time, sounds like the performance hasn't changed although I'd hope the management might be better than it was back then?

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    Ahhh, thats why Symantec picks up nothing:
    China’s Silent Cyber Takeover? | Flashpoints
    It is potentialy 51% run by the lot making the viruses.
    Last edited by SYNACK; 18th April 2011 at 03:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SYNACK View Post
    Ahhh, thats why Symantec picks up nothing:
    China’s Silent Cyber Takeover? | Flashpoints
    It is potentialy 51% run by the lot making the viruses.
    i wouldnt be entirely surprised if the other 49% was as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by gshaw View Post
    We dropped it in 2008 or 2009. I liked being told that visiting a machine manually was the only way to view its logs at the time, sounds like the performance hasn't changed although I'd hope the management might be better than it was back then?
    We've stuck with it from 2006 and my only main two issues were the initial setup with clients (especially when we moved over to Vista/7) and version 9 (not 9.5) was terrible (and crashed an awful lot). A lot of corporates are still with version 7, but that retired at the end of last month.

    The console is extremely good now and logs things properly once you have the correct services open on all workstations (easily configured with group policy).

    I've not worked with any others professionally but I don't think Sophos is as bad as people make it out to be here. It is power hungry at times; but now we've gone through our next cycle, that isn't an issue.

    The basic fact is that they all have their pro's and con's.

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    I'm a Trend Micro user myself and at home it only uses up about 34,000K according to Task Manager (thats about 34MB?). I don't even know it's there, it updates and scans almost silently.

    Sophos is a resource hog though, and didn't do much in our Conficker outbreak at work. It stopped the virus from running and propagating but let it install anyway. LC-Jump also ran rampant across the network with Sophos able to clean it up but again, not block it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jawloms View Post
    Interesting to see this many replies to the thread and AVG not mentioned once. Does that mean no-one uses it or that people use/used it and have no strong opinion of it either way? We use it here and have no problems with it, but then I don't really have anything to benchmark it against as the only other time I've had to administer AV was 12 years ago.
    I've had AVG for about 10 years on my home PC and not had a problem yet, would love to roll it out in school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmy_2k View Post
    I've had AVG for about 10 years on my home PC and not had a problem yet, would love to roll it out in school.
    We use corporate AVG here and have done for about 5 years, when I was desperate to ditch Symantec and didn't have much budget - the central console is clunky as hell to work with, but it does work, and seems to detect stuff. I've switched the web side off, as that was a bit of a hog - but in general - not bad for the price. Alas its a big refresh and it looks like I've got to have Symantec again from the summer - has it improved any in the last 5 years?

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    Anyone out there use F_Secure or have any experience of it? Our uni used to run it, would be interested to find out if it's worth a punt...

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