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    The French are mad...

    Well, I think they are - trying to pass stupid racist legislation like this:

    BBC News - Woman in face veil detained as France enforces ban

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    It's not 'racist' (a religion is not a race), but as it is more a 'cultural' belief from certain areas of Islam. However I do question the wisdom of such a policy.

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    Or alternatively you could say it's protecting the human rights of the women who are forced to wear the veil by their husband/family.
    I also wouldn't call it racist, people who wear the veil are from different races, but usually from the same religion.
    Personally, no I don't agree with the legislation, existing legislation could be used to protect the women, however a friend who does voluntary work supporting vulnerable and abused women in this group supports it.

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    Except that, if you read the Koran it doesn't say that women have to be veiled at all, just that they have to be modest and only expose face hands and feet. SO you could argue that the full veil is a choice and is in fact culture based rather than religion

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    Well hoodies are not allowed in certain shopping centres. If it's a problem they have the free choose to go and live in country that is more suited to their requirements.
    Last edited by nicholab; 11th April 2011 at 01:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicholab View Post
    Well hoodies are not allowed in certain shopping centres.
    BlueWater is one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witch View Post
    Except that, if you read the Koran it doesn't say that women have to be veiled at all, just that they have to be modest and only expose face hands and feet. SO you could argue that the full veil is a choice and is in fact culture based rather than religion
    Well I went out with a muslim girl years ago and know the koran quite well from her the only women who wore veils were Muhammad's wife's but only because he was a profet and thats the only reason and muhammad didnt preach to do the same

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    If you go to some eastern countries, you are expected to dress in the manner that they are accustomed to i.e. the veils for women.

    So why is it unfair that we should expect people to dress like us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAZZD88 View Post
    If you go to some eastern countries, you are expected to dress in the manner that they are accustomed to i.e. the veils for women.

    So why is it unfair that we should expect people to dress like us?
    Well in the Koran it does state 'while in rome' kind of remark

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    @irsprint84, does that you mean you agree with my POV?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAZZD88 View Post
    @irsprint84, does that you mean you agree with my POV?
    I m a staunch liberal but people can believe in what they want if they dont bother me or change me so yeah I agree

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    The problem with the belief that allowing veils is ok is that it doesn't work. Multi-multiculturalism continually fails. Other cultures don't often want to integrate, and adjust. They don't want to take up some of our traditions and replace their own. So instead of a nice integrated society, you end up with a massively segmented society.

    You end up with estates where only Muslims live, or where only white guys live etc... So you just end up with tensions and eventually race issues.

    By removing the 'extreme' aspects of a culture, it means that people who aren't Muslim will feel less like they're being looked down upon, and it'll mean Muslims understand the 'this is our country, we expect you to integrate' rule of living there.

    The same idea applies to any cultural or religious belief IMO, they should not be getting in the way of the day to day integration of any people into a society.

    And all of that is before you touch on the subject of women being subjugated.

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    For once the French are totally sane in my oppinion!

    Butuz

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    Quote Originally Posted by witch View Post
    Except that, if you read the Koran it doesn't say that women have to be veiled at all, just that they have to be modest and only expose face hands and feet. SO you could argue that the full veil is a choice and is in fact culture based rather than religion
    This is the same Koran which also doesn't mention stoning women, yet they still do it.

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