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    Re: Fantastic TES Staffroom Post

    I actually feel slightly sorry for the OP in the TES thread. They want to do something different but they feel they are being blocked ... then others jump on the badwagon and it becomes either an OS flamewar or a teacher/techie flamewar ...

    Still ... some good quotes have come out of it ... and it is funny to spot people posting under alternative accounts on there ;-)

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    Re: Fantastic TES Staffroom Post

    It's just my SMT that are guilty of what he's saying. Maybe i'm lucky that nearly all teaching staff are really good here, or is it always just the odd 1 or 2!?

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    Re: Fantastic TES Staffroom Post

    I am just frustrated that the thread constantly comes back to people looking down their noses at one another or an OS war.

    I just wish that people would accept that if someone has expertise in a particular area (teacher, network manager or cleaner) then it should be listened to and the benefits to the students should be weighed up.

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    Re: Fantastic TES Staffroom Post

    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook
    I am just frustrated that the thread constantly comes back to people looking down their noses at one another or an OS war.

    I just wish that people would accept that if someone has expertise in a particular area (teacher, network manager or cleaner) then it should be listened to and the benefits to the students should be weighed up.
    I completely agree. I wouldn't dream of saying to one of the teachers in my school that they were doing something wrong with regards to teaching, even if I honestly thought they were. For instance, a lot of the teachers in my schools shout at the kids... I often walk down the corridor and hear them yelling. I personally believe that there has to be better ways of controlling a class then yelling. But having never ever been in a similar situation as them before, I keep my mouth shut because I am probably wrong (plus I am well aware I am not in a position to say anything like that to them anyway).

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    Re: Fantastic TES Staffroom Post

    I'm now in a position where I *DO* tell teachers if they are doing something wrong ... or if there may be better ways of doing things ... but it nearly always involves discussion ... unless they are in a situation that is FUBAR and I have to just deal with it ... but that is because I am not a Network Manager ... and it has taken time to get to this position ... but I will still always listen and try to ensure I am doing right by the school ... even if it means more work / effort for Stephen and the rest of the team.

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    Re: Fantastic TES Staffroom Post

    I couldn't teach; I know that, I've tried in a fairly specialized field. I reckon that I'm averagely intelligent and that if a student doesn't get what I find blindingly obvious I'm flummoxed. (Since that experience I've tested my IQ but modesty prevents...) ;-)

    Equally, a lot of the teachers around here can't tie their own shoelaces without help, but teach some pretty obscure subjects to an astonishingly bright bunch of kids and keep them VERY motivated.

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    Re: Fantastic TES Staffroom Post

    Its nice being able to take a back seat and watch.

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    Re: Fantastic TES Staffroom Post

    I've been an instructor ... I've been a coach ... I have run playschemes for children (specialising in those with disabilities) and I get annoyed when people talk down to me because I did not doss about about for 3 years and *then* actually work for a year to get a PGCE ...

    But I also get annoyed when people from a technical/admin background, whether they are techies, NMs, Sales drones or bean counters, decide that just because a teacher has ideas and knowledge it should be discounted because they are a teacher.

    I know this makes me unpopular at times ... I can live with that and I will continue to shout down people that do not give one another a chance to at least discuss possibilities and opportunities.

    There ... rant over ... I am now repeating myself on the TES thread ... and in here too ... nothing new there. I think I'll leave it at that unless there is a reply direct to me.

    sorry if people feel as if I have gone on ... but there are times I really will not sit back and watch.

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    Re: Fantastic TES Staffroom Post

    When I worked in the IT industry as an IT systems engineer & later as an IT consultant I had sales colleagues who were paid more, who worked fewer hours, who took the technical staff for granted and sales staff were always treated by our employer as a 'superior' life form when compared to technical staff.
    As you might imagine, sometimes there was friction between the two groups of people; corporate management attitude was simple enough, you both need each other, get on with it. The techies were told, if you want to be treated like sales staff then become a salesman. This was a hard message for some.

    This is of course a sweeping generalisation as I worked with some really good sales colleagues who valued the support they received from their technical support staff.

    So, for me, working in a school is no different ....... teachers need technicians, technicians would not have a job if it were not for the teachers they support. None of us is perfect, we all moan about 'them' from time to time but we need each other. I could not do the salemans job when I worked in Industry any more than I could do a teachers job in a school now.

    We all have our jobs to do, let's give 'them' a break, teachers and support staff together. As technical support staff we can always walk away fom a problem that is bugging us; imagine being in a class with 30 bugg@rs and no means of escape!

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    Re: Fantastic TES Staffroom Post

    I used to to a IT induction for new staff where I used to work in the private sector. I used to enjoy that, shame it was stopped when we finally shelved OS/2 & went down the Citrix route.
    I've done a few training [ 20 mins max ] sessions on stuff for some staff, but being a teacher ? Naaaa Thanks - looks too stressful for me....
    I prefer to take a back seat and watch them.....

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    Re: Fantastic TES Staffroom Post

    How can you people regularily sit and read the TES forums .... sorry Staffrooms.... without wanting to stab people?

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    Re: Fantastic TES Staffroom Post

    Maybe our anger management classes were better... :-)

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    Re: Fantastic TES Staffroom Post

    Quote Originally Posted by broc
    When I worked in the IT industry as an IT systems engineer & later as an IT consultant I had sales colleagues who were paid more, who worked fewer hours, who took the technical staff for granted and sales staff were always treated by our employer as a 'superior' life form when compared to technical staff.
    That's because Sales staff make money, whereas ITStaff either spend money or stop the loss of money, neither of which are any interest to the managers.

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    Re: Fantastic TES Staffroom Post

    Oh how very true that article is, rings true in a lot of ways.

    I could write a very long post here explaing how it applies to our school in many many ways, but lets just say I think that guy has managed to write down what I've been trying to say for years.

    Mike

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    Re: Fantastic TES Staffroom Post

    But I also get annoyed
    Well ok, but group psychology is clearly part of one side's job and if they can't stop themselves from finding "out groups" to dump on...

    Industry Standard #27: If you want anything with a non-trivial cost in time and/or money you first have to put together a very convincing business case.. then using every trick in the book (The Prince) fight that case for several months and sometime years... and if you win it won't be implemented until Q2 2008 because everyone is rather busy working on some critical path decided a year or two ago.



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