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General Chat Thread, The Church of Jedi (Census 2011) in General; Originally Posted by localzuk Don't vote them into power then... Don't get me started on that one... NOBODY VOTED FOR ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Don't vote them into power then...
    Don't get me started on that one... NOBODY VOTED FOR THIS GOVERNMENT, THEY WEREN'T ON THE BALLOT PAPER!

    This is not a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, even if when they do appear to put in a party people voted for, what's the point? House of Lords have the final say on any decisions, and we can't vote for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Then stand as an independent.
    But I don't want power. Which by my own logic would make me best suited to it, but then as soon as I admit that and stand for it... but such logical paradoxes are why pure philosophy doesn't work by itself.

    I would just like the people who do stand to differentiate themselves a little bit beyond the current crop of corrupt, self-interested, career motivated politicians we have. I was having a whinge over ale the other night about how nobody goes into politics to become education secretary, they all just see it as a tick on the CV to help them on the way to party leader or chancellor.

    Anyway, massively off-topic; so far this thread has hit politics and religion, would anyone like to throw any other topics into the mix? Gender inequality perhaps, the price of beer, the quality of teaching in this day and age?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonofsanta View Post
    ... the quality of teaching in this day and age?
    I think that one gets enough debate on edugeek already

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    Quote Originally Posted by LosOjos View Post
    Don't get me started on that one... NOBODY VOTED FOR THIS GOVERNMENT, THEY WEREN'T ON THE BALLOT PAPER!

    This is not a democracy.

    EDIT: Also, even if when they do appear to put in a party people voted for, what's the point? House of Lords have the final say on any decisions, and we can't vote for them.
    The law passed to share the info and the Lockheed Martin deal was 'won' with labour in power.

    It doesnt matter who you vote for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theblacksheep View Post
    The law passed to share the info and the Lockheed Martin deal was 'won' with labour in power.

    It doesnt matter who you vote for.
    That's the point I'm [tried] making: our vote is just an illusion, we have no real power to make a difference in this country. We only have the illusion that we do.

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    But more so than in most. We don't (generally) need to take up arms to remove a Govt from power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Which ones? As I've said, I don't think the religion one is intrusive or unnecessary.
    I agree.
    According to the information paper relating to the development of the 2011 census religion question, a key reason for including a question on religion in the 2001 census was to provide statistics on minority religions. This helped to provide benchmarks so that employers and public authorities, for example, could fulfil their duties under the Race Relations Act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK-2 View Post
    trust me, you ain't finding three wise men here
    Over 30,000 actually

    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    I will counter your why, with a why not?
    <snippety doodah>
    So, why not?
    I see your 'why not' and raise this to a physical challenge.

    I'm with ElsieGee on this, let's all go for EduGeek. Forget about Jedi, that's so last decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikpaw View Post
    Over 30,000 actually



    I see your 'why not' and raise this to a physical challenge.

    I'm with ElsieGee on this, let's all go for EduGeek. Forget about Jedi, that's so last decade.
    Will you actually be in the UK on census night?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by elsiegee40 View Post
    Will you actually be in the UK on census night?!
    You don't HAVE to be there on the night, but technically i'm not a resident and away for more than 12 months, so don't count as anything more than a visitor these days

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikpaw View Post
    You don't HAVE to be there on the night, but technically i'm not a resident and away for more than 12 months, so don't count as anything more than a visitor these days
    Ahhh - well we don't need to know anything about YOU then, do we

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    If you read some of the sites of Jediism, there are a few who are now taking this fairly seriously; to now mock them by masses entering themselves as 'Jedi' would destroy those people's chances of becoming a 'recognised' religion.

    When you take away the Lucas interactions, and the lightsabers it's no more or less a credible religion than many others.

    Religion is a key part of a countries society; England (even the UK on a wider sense) is a christian country, our laws, rules and way of life all stem from this. At the same time, the UK's society is dictated by it's openness to accept other cultures and religions to work alongside it. We would be a very different country without our strong ties to the Catholic Irish, no more curries, kebabs, or chinese without the influence and acceptance of south asian culture; no carnival's as we know it without the influence of south/central america...

    If you have faith in something, then be proud of it and express your beliefs, and make the people who run your country aware of what you believe in; but if you have lost interest in organised faith's, then don't spoil it for those who have not.
    And remember, many people may not see themselves as 'christian' but I would bet many, if not most of us have been brought up as one, wheither you embrace it or not.

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    Im all for pitchforks and burning torches .... and ousting the governement like in the middle east.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galway View Post
    Im all for pitchforks and burning torches .... and ousting the governement like in the middle east.
    What difference would that make over here? Who would then take over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    What difference would that make over here? Who would then take over?
    I met some bloke down the pub once who knew something. I vote for him!

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