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    localzuk: so if we paid the one-off 15 licence that would cover us? or do we need a licence per dvd made?

    steve: its not really a parody, its us just miming and acting out various joke scenes with that as the track, its not parodying it just using it unfortunately

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    ok so 101-250 copies is 70 for MCPS. but it does say underneath it covers MCPS and PPL members music, so how do i know that the track we are using is part of the MCPS or PPL members?
    also, whats the PPL bit? as it doubles the price if we use the PPL bit too

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK-2 View Post
    ok so 101-250 copies is 70 for MCPS. but it does say underneath it covers MCPS and PPL members music, so how do i know that the track we are using is part of the MCPS or PPL members?
    also, whats the PPL bit? as it doubles the price if we use the PPL bit too
    PPL is the license for any 'public performance' of music. So, that includes via concerts, shows, or on DVDs to an audience who isn't the original maker of the DVD. This license covers 'record companies and performers'. You also need a PRS license, which covers the same details but for 'composers and performers'.

    All in all, its expensive stuff.

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    its absolutely ridiculous. to raise money for charity we'd have to spend out more than we might make.
    i can honestly see why people illegally download and use music, its nothing about protecting the musicians, its about maximising profit.

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    I'd check with your LEA - I think I read somewhere (can't remember where) that they hold certain licences on behalf of their schools???

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    Quote Originally Posted by BatchFile View Post
    I'd check with your LEA - I think I read somewhere (can't remember where) that they hold certain licences on behalf of their schools???
    we're an independant school, so doubt the LEA would give us much help

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK-2 View Post
    its absolutely ridiculous. to raise money for charity we'd have to spend out more than we might make.
    i can honestly see why people illegally download and use music, its nothing about protecting the musicians, its about maximising profit.
    Copyright law in the UK is out of date and complex. For an ordinary school to run, we need at least 7 copyright licenses, totalling 2k a year. You are right, it is ridiculous. Also, regarding it being for charity, you have to remember that charities are still businesses, as are the record companies. And both are trying to make money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Copyright law in the UK is out of date and complex. For an ordinary school to run, we need at least 7 copyright licenses, totalling 2k a year. You are right, it is ridiculous. Also, regarding it being for charity, you have to remember that charities are still businesses, as are the record companies. And both are trying to make money.
    oh yeah i know we all still have to make money. but for a 3min video to raise money for the poor in the world it now looks like it wont go ahead due to these complications. so we've gone from possible raising over a thousand pound to probably getting less than a few hundred.
    it'd be the difference between children in need being on TV all night raising millions, or just a bloke coming round your house and saying "spare a quid for charity mate". im sure they wouldn't raise millions that way.

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    Does your school not already have the PPL and PRS licenses? They're pretty much compulsory for schools, so you may not actually have that cost, just the MCPS cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Does your school not already have the PPL and PRS licenses? They're pretty much compulsory for schools, so you may not actually have that cost, just the MCPS cost.
    not a clue, and asking the bursary dept to check what licences we have i may as well just stick my head in an oven!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK-2 View Post
    not a clue, and asking the bursary dept to check what licences we have i may as well just stick my head in an oven!
    Ask your LEA - ours covers CLA, ERA, PRS and PPL for us, so the only one we pay for is PVSL to watch videos in school.

    Scratch that, just read up the thread and saw you're independent...

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    i chanced checking with bursary, we have PPL but not PRS. So it would mean potentially us having to pay 70 for up to 250 DVDs being burnt and that's it. Just need to see if we can offset that against our predicted sales.

    Cheers everyone for all your advice!

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    Sorry to be a bug bear but you need both the PPL and the PRS, as they both cover different people's interests. It isn't an either/or pair of licenses.

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    If you don't have PRS (as a school) that means that nobody will be playing recorded music etc in the school at all?

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