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    ICT teaching hits the dust

    BBC News - School curriculum 'slimmed down'

    OK, don't bother your head with any of that creative ICT Stuff you saw at BETT - its time to get our coats - last one out switch the lights off

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    To be honest I don't think discrete ICT is that greater loss. They need some structured study in Year 7 to ensure their base ICT knowledge is good enough, then most of the use of ICT is covered cross-curricular. Most Unis and employers seem to agree that ICT as a curriculum subject isn't much use - how to write a report in Word and create a PowerPoint are better taught when there is a real application in another subject, instead of fictitious scenarios created in ICT. Either the ICT curriculum needs a total rewrite to actually be relevant, or it's valuable teaching time that can be reclaimed.

    I doesn't affect IT pros in schools - most of our time is spent with other departments than ICT Teaching, and the creative resources we see at BETT are rarely for discrete ICT use.

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    Discreet IT NEEDS to be taught, and from an early age if current trends are anything to go by.

    When you have 1 hour to teach your students your subject, you really don't need to be teaching them the fundamentals of how to operate devices; You wouldn't expect a Yr 11 GCSE student to be learning how to use excel for the first time in their maths lesson, you'd get nothing done.
    They need to be taught the basics, in a structured manner from an early age (read primary), teaching about ways to operate and intelligent thinking on use of formating, fonts, layout and formula's. They then use the skills in their other subjects, building on them each year.

    You don't expect someone to rebuild a car engine before you've taught them not to put the round peg in the square hole!

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    Gove is taking us back to the 50`s , can they not see in that technology companies are making money and we need to educate our students with the skills to compete in this market. I admit current ICT cources that teach Word ,excel etc are outdated now so lets revamp it with new media skills.

    This government also did not want to give games makers in this country tax breaks like other entertainment industries even though its the fastest growing and shows no sign of stopping with kinect being the upgrade of choice for all those dustys wii`s out there.

    i have a feeling this government just dont "get computers".

    I wonder if we tell Gove we will give every pupil a RM slate 100 he would say yes thinking its one of these


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    In all honesty, I only took basic IT back in school. I never chose it as an option, I did Technology/Woodworking, now look at me, Network Manager of a school.

    Biggest problem is at that age we never really know what we want to do when we grow up, we can't really get away with fireman, spaceman and action hero no more. And looking back there is so much time I wasted in Art and technology and even food tech because I never really learnt anything. In fact the skills I learn in the last 10 years of being an adult I learnt from people in my life or by my self and not in school.

    Personally as for ICT, keep it because the world is getting more and more tech savvy and it would be silly to remove it. Although I will admit there are certain things our year 10's and 11's are learning in their "options" that I dont really think any of them will need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jumpinjamez View Post
    Gove is taking us back to the 50`s , can they not see in that technology companies are making money and we need to educate our students with the skills to compete in this market. I admit current ICT cources that teach Word ,excel etc are outdated now so lets revamp it with new media skills.

    This government also did not want to give games makers in this country tax breaks like other entertainment industries even though its the fastest growing and shows no sign of stopping with kinect being the upgrade of choice for all those dustys wii`s out there.

    i have a feeling this government just dont "get computers".

    I wonder if we tell Gove we will give every pupil a RM slate 100 he would say yes thinking its one of these


    Put an RM logo on it and rubberise the outside, and you'd have something higher tech than any RM system. But they'd still cost £500 each with a £50/year support cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jumpinjamez View Post
    Gove is taking us back to the 50`s , can they not see in that technology companies are making money and we need to educate our students with the skills to compete in this market. I admit current ICT cources that teach Word ,excel etc are outdated now so lets revamp it with new media skills.

    This government also did not want to give games makers in this country tax breaks like other entertainment industries even though its the fastest growing and shows no sign of stopping with kinect being the upgrade of choice for all those dustys wii`s out there.

    i have a feeling this government just dont "get computers".

    I wonder if we tell Gove we will give every pupil a RM slate 100 he would say yes thinking its one of these

    By the look of that slate, they might actually get to learn the important things like the 3 'Rs', rather than being able to watch the latest Justin Bebwhatshisname video.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mthomas08 View Post
    In all honesty, I only took basic IT back in school. I never chose it as an option, I did Technology/Woodworking, now look at me, Network Manager of a school.

    Biggest problem is at that age we never really know what we want to do when we grow up, we can't really get away with fireman, spaceman and action hero no more. And looking back there is so much time I wasted in Art and technology and even food tech because I never really learnt anything. In fact the skills I learn in the last 10 years of being an adult I learnt from people in my life or by my self and not in school.

    Personally as for ICT, keep it because the world is getting more and more tech savvy and it would be silly to remove it. Although I will admit there are certain things our year 10's and 11's are learning in their "options" that I dont really think any of them will need.
    10 years ago, ICT was a young subject, and the people who taught it had either not had the time to get acquanted with 'modern' computers, or were dinosaurs who used to read ticker-tape. ICT principles, though the tech has improved, hasn't CHANGED a lot in 10 years, and as such the teachers we have now had 10 years of relative stability to learn how to use the stuff themselves.

    I never took any IT subject at school out of choice; I learnt more on my own than I ever would have from the incompetent idiots who were teaching it then, and i proved it repeatedly by running rings round them in terms of (lack of) network security, completing their work in a fraction of the time alloted, and the main reason, proving that at the age of 14 and no previous IT experience I understood more about the basic operation of a computer than they did.
    Had I been given current IT teaching back then, I would probably have gone onto a masters or PHD in computing, and be a VERY different person.

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    This review is looking at the core subjects which are required for all schools to teach to a set curriculum. Yes they are cutting down on the prescribed core subjects, but this will give schools the flexibility and freedom to teach what they want, rather than what the latest education minister deems appropriate. I think in quite a few schools ICT will become a bigger and broader subject rather than being limited to the current national curriculum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rydra View Post
    Put an RM logo on it and rubberise the outside, and you'd have something higher tech than any RM system. But they'd still cost £500 each with a £50/year support cost.
    Reminds me of the present I got a guy I worked with who left here last year....

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    we teach computing, programming etc, the ICT is taught in the other subects where it can be a tool to work with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rydra View Post
    Discreet IT NEEDS to be taught, and from an early age if current trends are anything to go by.

    When you have 1 hour to teach your students your subject, you really don't need to be teaching them the fundamentals of how to operate devices; You wouldn't expect a Yr 11 GCSE student to be learning how to use excel for the first time in their maths lesson, you'd get nothing done.
    They need to be taught the basics, in a structured manner from an early age (read primary), teaching about ways to operate and intelligent thinking on use of formating, fonts, layout and formula's. They then use the skills in their other subjects, building on them each year.

    You don't expect someone to rebuild a car engine before you've taught them not to put the round peg in the square hole!
    Never been to Kwik fit then?

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    Someone bought daughter a chinese knockoff of the old "pen stylus" magnadoodle...rather like etch-a-sketch but pen equipped.

    Missus had a load of her web mates round, I pulled it out and said "hey, look at my Ipad!"..they weren't overly amused. Heh.

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    This whole curriculum review by the government is plain daft.

    They have already stated that they want all schools to become Academies...

    Academies have freedom from the National Curriculum.

    Why bother messing with the National Curriculum?

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    Did you hear that some of the cheaper tablets in the states have a bit of a problem. They come shipped with adult content - a porn bundle. A few people on xmas day weren't happy when their kids opened them and discovered the little extras.

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