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    Quote Originally Posted by LosOjos View Post
    In that case, I'm going to release a brand new food product: it's got a dough base and you tend to put tomato sauce and cheese on it, but then you can pick all your own toppings too! I'm going to call it EatTime. Any investors?
    Change your name to Steve Jobs, and I'm in!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroHour View Post
    You are being sarcastic I hope as they invented none of that, they popularized it.
    What? You mean they didn't invent it? But...but...Apple wouldn't imply they invented something they didn't, surely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LosOjos View Post
    In that case, I'm going to release a brand new food product: it's got a dough base and you tend to put tomato sauce and cheese on it, but then you can pick all your own toppings too! I'm going to call it EatTime. Any investors?
    I think you would get all the dragons on board with this one, It would go great with my invention. Its a breadstick with an added exclusive feature, I call it "garl Icbred"

    Get it now only in the Isupermarket

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    @aerospacemango:
    I've seen a Rover 2600 SD1, in beautiful condition....I'd have one of those!

    It's a "D" plate...and my garage reckon that the owner would practically give it away!

    Just gotta persuade the missus that I need such a beautiful car!!
    If she won't let you find out how much it's going for and PM me

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    With regard to the loads of Windows tech (Windows phones) showing up in US tv that is kind of a sore point as they had to pay millions to get their products on TV for a few episodes, Bones, Castle, etc. bud the freaking iPhone gets pushed into every show because its what the image obsessed writers use. Just look at the amount of Apple tech spewed all over stuff like Chuck.

    I almost stoped reading a Clive Cussler book because 3/4 of the way through it turned into a freaking Apple cataloue. The books usually are quite detailed initially descibing for example the exact brand of gun but then becoming pragmatic. In contrast every page and a half it was iPhone this and AirBook that and Mac Pro this. It made me want to spew and I have not brought a single book from that author since in fear it will just be a Mac catalogue in a different wrapper. Freaking child of an author, if he dealt with it like the other stuff, guns etc it would not be a problem but every second page.

    As to the cars I buy the car that with withstand the most crazy before loosing its grip on the road within my budget. There are some brands that I will avoid, toyota for instance would have to make a car compelling enough to have a novel written about it before I would buy one but other than that I am quite open to most brands.

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    On a recent "Fringe":

    Peter answers his phone - Android (yay for diversity!).

    Then goes to where his and (B)Olivia's FBI-issue laptops are. Apparently the standard FBI lappy is some sort of fancy-looking Mac. (Not a fan, so can't tell you which model). Surely not very likely?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeMarchand View Post
    On a recent "Fringe":

    Peter answers his phone - Android (yay for diversity!).

    Then goes to where his and (B)Olivia's FBI-issue laptops are. Apparently the standard FBI lappy is some sort of fancy-looking Mac. (Not a fan, so can't tell you which model). Surely not very likely?
    No, government contracts were IBM for ages, I don't think that they have suddenly switched to Macs. JJ Abrams, the writer of Fringe however loves Macs, just watch his TED talk and so with that along with a bunch of artsy set designers the macs find their way in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Popularising can be just as important as inventing sometimes though. Look at 'internet tv'. WebTV was running way back in the 90's, yet barely got off the ground, as everyone wasn't ready for it (quality wasn't such an issue, as TVs and the associated transmission techniques at the time were pretty poor too).

    Now, internet TV is taking off majorly with iPlayer, BT Vision, Apple TV, etc...
    i would definitely credit the iplayer for popularizing webtv in the uk [by being accessible and raising the quality bar] rather than the apple tv....but i know what you mean.

    i'm as cynical as the next it tech re the 'cult of mac'....but to the sceptics, just try using them and you realise they are more than just a brand name. The unibody macbook pro can't be far off being top of the tree as far as battery life compared to comparable windows laptops. There aren't many bits that can fall off any of the hardware, unlike traditional laptops with their broken latches and bent power sockets/pins. The macbook air [with ssd drive atleast] stands up surprisingly well to being knocked about. ofcourse there are logic board failures, failed hardrives from time to time....but then when isn't there with any hardware.

    then there's actual deployment and install as windows/dual boot. one setup app for driver install on one disk, kick it off go away, come back later and all devices are detected and installed. i don't ever recall the process ever waiting for me to select a Yes, No or Cancel or whether i want to select a custom or express option. IT just does it, knowing i have better things to do with my time than responding to dialog boxes or scratching around selecting what drivers to install and whether i want a custome or express install.

    the mac experience is surprisingly no nonsense. almost the opposite of the new pc/laptop experience.

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    One of my minor niggles with the Apple computers over the last 2 or so years, is their awful hard drive sizes.

    For a brand that specialises in media, their hard drives are on the small side, though better than they were 2 years ago (i believe we bought a batch that came with just 80gb drives, 2 years ago.... compared to the then standard 250/320gb hard drives in standard PC laptops.)

    And of course, to go from, eg a 250gb drive to a 320gb, costs 40.... the fact i can buy a 1TB drive for that just irritates me, but all the big names do this (HP, Dell etc) so i can't slate Apple entirely for their pricing on that one.

    The general concensus is that we will never have a clear "X is better than Y", and it's all down to what suits your needs. But I still argue, that for "Home users" looking for "The family computer" the mac is not yet there, and needs to either come down in prices, or increase in compatibility for the gaming aspect.

    At the current rate it will likely be only another couple of years till a MAC can handle the same gaming out the box as a PC (aka without emulators or dual booting etc.), but the other caviat of gaming, is hardware upgrades (to keep up with the latest in gaming) and apple is going to struggle in this market always without a rethink in business strategy.

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    Hey, if thats the size of hard drive Apple say you have to have than that is obviously the coolest, most attention getting hard drive currently in existance. Oh, its an 80GB 5400rpm Caviar, erm, never mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dos_Box View Post
    Oh, its an 80GB 5400rpm Caviar
    80GB?? Whoa there flash, exactly how many floppy disks am I going to need to back that sort of beast up?

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    Stick my neck out here and say I use a Mac at home. I got it as I was bored of tinkering at work and then having to tinker with nearly the same problems at home. When people say "It just works" it is true. I also got it to be able to play with Unix based shell. There are annoyances as any gui interface is pared down to the bare minimum and you really have to dig for things or terminal it. But for 90% of what I do on it that is fine. It is something different for me to explore. Cost wasn't an issue as it was a present to myself for a job well done on a degree I had finished, my old Tablet (yes I had a tablet pc before and it was teh sex!) had died and I found a really good educational deal. I like it end of. It does what I want, it integrates with what I want and it helps my work flow. A lot of it is tiny silly things like making numbers that resemble phone numbers addable to contacts, making dates addable to the calender, making addresses searchable and linked to contacts. Probably possible in Windows with tweaking and add ons but I never realised how useful it was until I had it.

    There are many things not to like about Apple and Macs, but the same is true of MS, Dell, HP and any of the others.

    As someone said, I could probably build my own custom pc or laptop for much less but then not have one company that I could go to to shout at and make sort it, plus I wouldn't have the guarantee that the combination chosen works perfectly fine.

    The car example is the best comparison I can think of and is entirely right, people want different things and sometimes they choose the wrong one for them but they don't minds as it still works.

    So it boils down to you make your choice and live with it while others do the same. If you feel the need to yell at others for their choice either you need to find out why you feel this way & think is it really necessary.

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    Carrying on with the car comparision....
    It's not really the hardware itself that annoys me, its the marketing, media and gullibleness (yes its a word, look it up!) of consumers.
    If you had two cars on sale, and the Apple car was sat there with adverts playing showing "it changes from first to second gear, up to an amzing fifth gear with the revolutionary iStick" and you think "but all cars have a gearstick, thats nothing new." thats what p***es me off firstly, but then of course the consumers who will go on to only use those terms; "oh i'm fantastic at driving, my apple car lets me iStick into fourth".

    Like i said, i'm not against the hardware, its the advertising and media hype of it all, and Apples determination that only by using their terminology, their hardware and their methods will you be the coolest person on the earth (and yes i know thats the whole idea of marketing, it still sickens me though), and also the consumers who blindly believe that owning an apple product is the be all and end all of arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK-2 View Post
    Carrying on with the car comparision....
    It's not really the hardware itself that annoys me, its the marketing, media and gullibleness (yes its a word, look it up!) of consumers.
    If you had two cars on sale, and the Apple car was sat there with adverts playing showing "it changes from first to second gear, up to an amzing fifth gear with the revolutionary iStick" and you think "but all cars have a gearstick, thats nothing new." thats what p***es me off firstly, but then of course the consumers who will go on to only use those terms; "oh i'm fantastic at driving, my apple car lets me iStick into fourth".

    Like i said, i'm not against the hardware, its the advertising and media hype of it all, and Apples determination that only by using their terminology, their hardware and their methods will you be the coolest person on the earth (and yes i know thats the whole idea of marketing, it still sickens me though), and also the consumers who blindly believe that owning an apple product is the be all and end all of arguments.
    Nail on head. Magical.

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    I agree to a certain extent too.

    I had some company 2 years ago try to sell me new guttering and facia boards (mine are the original wooden boarding with asbestos gutters that now are looking awful, it needs replacing). Cue the guy turning up 1 hour late, then giving me a full history, chemistry and mechanics lesson on how their product was better than everyone elses, that took 3-4 hours. Then he offered me an outrageous price i could replace half my roof for.
    3 price changes in 10 minutes later, I just wanted this guy to get out of my house.
    They rang me up twice the next day, and dropped their price again each time... The final offer almost being below the cost of parts and labour... But by this point, I wouldn't have said yes if they offered to pay ME to do the work.

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