i can understand primary marketing to the US, but to push forward with what will probably be a global surge of apple online stuff, regardless of if people can use them.
So, with high speed internet provision speeding ahead in urban areas in both countries (and many others too), their marketing plan makes complete sense.
I don't know how much of the country is covered by Virgin's fibre optic network, but with 100Mb coming soon, that will be plenty enough to stream HD.
Well when I was out in the states with edugeek meeting real people they all certainly didnt say they had an amazing net connection that allowed everything and anything to come down quickly, quite the opposite. They said if you paid through the teeth in cities you could get faster connections but no, nothing looks amazing for them for the next few years so sadly no their marketing is BS imo. I have seen little to prove that USA has *magical* net connections and plenty against so I am not sure where these statements are based yet.
If apple had claimed this in 5 years time, maybe....
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However, BT are laying fibre optics now too, and competition has a funny way of speeding things up!
That's not the only issue though, the fact is that super fast internet connections are simply not affordable to most people yet even if it is available to them, and the fastest packages most people can afford have too many limitations placed on them to be a real option in terms of streaming HD video (a lot don't even give you enough to stream one movie!)
If they do the same with their 100mb lines (which I've no doubt they will with all the recent copyright infringmenty things) then will it still be as good to use?
I mean, to be honest, at the moment, I'd relish a 10mb line (I'm one of the nice rural types now on a 2mb connection .. and with 6 of us in the house, it's not great, better than the school I'm in where we have a 2mb connection for the school I guess but ... lol)
Back to the point in hand, I have to agree with the Blu-Ray thing here .. yes, it's not their main market, but Apple are cutting a lot of things out there .. ok they want to push their own system, but when you can buy a Blu-Ray player for what, £30?, why would you want to spend £99 on Apple TV? If they allow Blu-Ray onto their platform and look to support it, even as an upgrade from the SuperDrive, then surely that would be the better way to go ..
And as for cutting out the burning part when they're wanting to push the whole "we are the media choice" ideal .. yes, you can master the movie but send it to the other machines to render and burn .. but then, it's probably cheaper to render it on a PC based machine ..
Comes back to the point of "buy what does the job best for you" ..
I'm not rich or on mega pay, i pay about £45 a month for 50Mb, a phone line and tv. I have had three problems with their line 3 times in the 6 or 7 years i've had their service, once was a national outage, once a local node and once when the workmen put a spade through my line when working next door.
I've encountered awful customer service from BT on several occasions over the years and I'm not saying that one isp is better than the other, i'm sure we all have good and bad stories to tell.
I can't see it a difficult thing for Apple to do to add the drivers and a Blu-ray drive to their range, and it's certainly not a cost issue considering the profit they just made, but how many people watch DVDs or Blu-rays on their laptops or desktops.
Surely if people want to watch hi def movies they want to appreciate them on their big HD TVs connected to their AV receivers.
p.s. Virgin cap their 10Mb and 20Mb packages, but not their 50Mb or 100Mb packages. Traffic Management | Virgin Media Help & Support - Virgin Media Shop
RE: virgin, my comments about them being evil are to do with what aptproductions said really, they give you a high connection speed but nerf you with limits. I am on sky bb myself with 20mb no limits so its not a huge issue for my but my parents in shetland have a 512kb connection...
difinity 50mb packages are going to be traffic managed/throttled soon fyi. Also a suprising amount of people go away on a trip and take their laptop with dvd's/blurays to watch while away so they are used and thats before we get to using your computer wired to tv which there are a few of now but I do see it not being the hugest usage of discs but still at least let us buy an external drive to use if apple dont want to supply one.
I am not a full apple hater, I just hate a lot of the crud excuses they give which means I dont respect them.
Yes I do admit that there high def stuff on iTunes is not high def because when you go above I think 720P it gets pixelated so they need to improve that but again if they improve it then people will be waiting a very long time to download said movie or item and it will take up a lot more space on said persons computer and if you are not great with computers then the size of a movie won't mean anything to you and when your computer soon runs out of space then they will complain.
Also with broadband speeds and cap limits, if apple did make them better resolutions with or without codecs then you wouldn't be able to download much anyway so again this knackers up making high def content as you can't download it or can't be bothered to wait due to the max speeds being slow depending on your net connection speed / traffic shaping etc
I have to say, might only be a 2mb line I'm getting with them though, but the service since all that hassle has been good ..
As long as you have a bt phone line and I think they ship you out a thompson router as part of the deal ( cant remember all the details, think you have to pay an up front cost not too much though ) and that pays for the router they ship you ( which aint that brilliant ) so use my own netgear router, which I had to configure myself, but if they set up the account correctly which they didn't do with mine but isnt an issue ( ie I wanted it to be dhcp instead of static ip ) then the router configuration should be minimal instead of manually configuring the network info ie ip address, subnet mask, dns servers etc
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And like you say the apple downloads are heavily compressed with an attempt at 720 but even then its poor. They have NO full 1080p 7.1 surround realHD videos to watch at all.
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