dwhyte85 (5th December 2010)
I don't think there is much worse than being turned down for a job because of a false reason/using a technicality as an excuse. Each interview *should* be a chance for candidates to see what they need to improve on, what they see employers needing from them. Otherwise it's downright irresponsible; for instance if I was rejected for lack of CC4 experience and went off and completed RM's CC4 MasterClass, to come back to find yet another excuse - I'd be quite upset and still none the wiser as to what I was lacking as a possible employee. I'd certainly rather hear "sorry, we don't think your personality would suit the dynamic of our team" however that's not something you could really tell from an interview. From a trial process maybe but not an hour of sitting in front of a desk with someone.
dwhyte85 (5th December 2010)
I certainly won’t be re-applying, if the management team can get the basic concepts of the recruitment process for this position so wrong, there is nothing to inspire me with any confidence in that team.
I will continue looking though, education is where my heart is!
Last edited by dwhyte85; 5th December 2010 at 09:15 AM.
mattx (5th December 2010)
Interviews are a game, plain and simple. You have to know how to play the game to your best advantage.
My suggestion for this interview would have been for the op to ask the interview panel a question - 'Do you use any middleware management software on your network like RM CC4?'. That way, even if they didn't bring it up, you can check and make sure and then show how your own experience and knowledge means that you're more than qualified to handle any such bits of software. It would also show that you are interested in knowing what you'd be getting yourself into.
They could clearly see from my CV that I had no CC4 experience otherwise I would have mentioned it. Why go to the effort of interviewing someone who you are going eliminate because they do not have a particular skill set, and if that isn’t the “real” reason, be honest and provide constructive feedback!
One last Point, the school was shut presumably because other members of staff had difficulties getting in, but I risked my life to get to that Interview it was 75miles away from where I was working. There’s playing the game and there’s playing games with lives, I was not amused..... hence the rant!
The problem schools have is there is a very low amount of IT knowledge, so the best thing they can do is work from checklists based on what they have. So you have to make sure you tick every box, even if they don't bring something up.
Just wanted wrap this up by saying thanks for all the feedback and comments.
I've had mickey mouse interviews in my time, with excuses ranging from too young(!), too shy, too overconfident, lacking experience in large scale business, no sales experience the list goes on....
I've also turned down many jobs, some of which were life-time opportunities for the sake of having a real life, or because i felt the interview was awful.
One I went to made me do a written test that a 15 year old could complete, then 2 ICT managers came in shirt, no tie, and one had his feet up on the conference desk for the entirely of the interview! When they asked me to drive 50 miles a day, from North of London to work in Peckham for £19k per year, I told em to stuff it.
From my experience, this problem is because many management in all sectors do not know themselves how to handle ICT. This is not just within the public sector either, many private sector places i've interviewed for the management just seem to have no clue beyond certifications about what is involved in ICT.
One of the major differences with IT NM's over many other roles, is that we are trusted with the information, handling and many other aspects of a company or school, including overseeing the staff in aspects of ICT usage, but rarely accorded the hierarchy within the school to implement it properly. For this reason alone, I believe it is best to have ICT NM's involved in the management of the school actively, and not just in the title.
CCNA does one other thing beyond giving you the know how to configure Cisco Equipment. It gives you a rock solid foundation in hardware networking as a whole, covering aspects such as:
OSI Model and what each layer represents, Network Protocols including Subnet masks and IP addresses, WANS and WAN Protocols, Routing - covering various different types, VLANS, LAN Switching etc.
So I would look for it even if they were not touching Cisco Hardware, but at the least Comptia N+ would be expected here.
Certifications, the next best thing to nepotism!
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