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    Copyright question

    Right, need to clear something up with copyright.

    Are schools allowed, for educational purposes, to have children:

    Download a popular tune from a game
    Create their own game in Scratch
    Use the downloaded tune as the theme for it.

    Without any payments/licenses?

    I know their are various 'for educational' fair dealing type exclusions to copyright, and there are many different licenses and licensing agencies for playing music/videos/plays etc..., but this is more about derivative works really.
    Last edited by localzuk; 2nd December 2010 at 01:28 PM.

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    A clear "No" I'm afraid.

    A useable alternative source of material however = Legal Music For Videos - Creative Commons

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marci View Post
    A clear "No" I'm afraid.

    A useable alternative source of material however = Legal Music For Videos - Creative Commons
    See, that was my thought too, but the teacher in question refuses to accept it saying 'but we're allowed, for education!' as if it is a getout clause to everything. My asking how we can be teaching children to respect copyright laws in one lesson and then letting them do this without any thought to copyright the next just results with a non-reaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    See, that was my thought too, but the teacher in question refuses to accept it saying 'but we're allowed, for education!' as if it is a getout clause to everything. My asking how we can be teaching children to respect copyright laws in one lesson and then letting them do this without any thought to copyright the next just results with a non-reaction.
    I've had this before.
    Ask them for proof, which they won't be able to provide. May also be worth a work with your LA legal department who should have someone in a position to help / find out more.

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    The 'for education' myth seems to have a lot of weight behind it sadly. In this case, as in most others, it's clearly 'no'.

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    Cant you just request a copy of the law they are using? You could provide a a copy of the copyright law which states it is illegal, and state that you(and anyone else employed) will be following that until they can provide evidence to support their view? Until then, it is just their opinion.

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    It's a funny one - there is a definite exemption in the legislation for "anything done in connection with an examination" (paraphrased) - but that is generally interpreted as being a sit down exam rather than coursework.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveBentley View Post
    there is a definite exemption in the legislation for "anything done in connection with an examination"
    Is there? Several exam boards have withdrawn papers from the on line repository citing "copyright issues".

    Maybe the real answer here is to all lean on our MPs to bring in legislation that would allow limited copying of music, film etc for educational use in the same way we can copy (sections of) books, newspapers, whatever.

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    If they insist on saying it is legal ask them to produce, in black and white, the legal papers which say so, either from legal acts or from contracts stating permissions of use. If they cannot produce them then it is hearsay that they have the right to do x, y & z ... in the same way that it is hearsay that you can shoot a Welshman within the walls of Chester after darks with a crossbow and quarrel, but it is illegal to own said crossbow within Chester ...

    Urban myth with a thin veneer of truth does not mean it is ok to do it.

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    Under those same guides, anything is legal if it is for education purposes... where would that lead!

    There is an analogy you can take back to said member of staff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook View Post
    . in the same way that it is hearsay that you can shoot a Welshman within the walls of Chester after darks with a crossbow and quarrel, but it is illegal to own said crossbow within Chester ...
    "Signs of an end to the recession were reported by Cheshire quicklime merchants who saw an unexpected rise in sales to worried, geeky-looking blokes during December."

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    Quote Originally Posted by GREED View Post
    Under those same guides, anything is legal if it is for education purposes... where would that lead!

    There is an analogy you can take back to said member of staff!
    Does that mean any welshman should be worried going to Chester in the evening if any teachers are about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by penfold View Post
    Does that mean any welshman should be worried going to Chester in the evening if any teachers are about?
    Definately!

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    Good summary of copyright in schools here:
    TeacherNet, A to Z of School Leadership - Copyright

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post

    Are schools allowed, for educational purposes, to have children
    i think thats the general idea...



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