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    Well that is my learning for the day. Ta GD.

    Sorry to go OT but did anyone watch the Channel 4 programme about the deficit. Britain's Trillion Pound Horror Story? Interesting take on the issue. Basically saying we need to pare government right down, follow the Hong Kong example, which strangely enough we put in place. They have small government, low flat tax and are booming.

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    The Lowry might not get a lot of traffic right now but in 5 years they might... Or their stock might go on a world tour to bring in money. And the space could be used for other things instead such as retro gaming displays or a collection of ageing tech such as an Apple I or an original IMP. I'm waiting for the first tour of kit from the National Computer Museum. It'll be interesting to see where it goes.

    One of the other things people might not know is that the collection you see on display might not be solely owned by the gallery or Govt. To have a complete display they might borrow private pieces. Sometimes this is at no cost as the insurance, care and restoration is taken on by the experts in the gallery. Having galleries with experts dotted around the country instead of just centralised in London is also beneficial to UK PLC.

    The British Musuem used to do a talk about how they make use of experts around the country who are part employed by museums and might also be eminent lecturers at Universities too.

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    If we as a country are so desperate to keep these 'works of art' then we should do what we can to keep them here.
    But having them sit in the basement of a free art gallery is not the way. If we really want them, then they need to be on display, and IMO there needs to be an entrance fee to go in these places, albeit a modest one.
    The point people are making is they are there to generate money on the long term, as an investment.
    A item that spends most of it's time in a box, in a free museum is of no use to us. The critic was not saying sell it all off, far from it.
    As with all walks of life, everyone has something they can't bring themselves to ever get rid of, in case they might want/need it. But sometimes, when you need the cash, or the space you just have to bite the bullet and get rid.

    A piece of national (or even local) heritage should not be sold, but some random modern artist's piece that some art nut will pay half a million for the bent out of shape bicycle with a clown painted on it, well I won't shed any tears about it. And who's to say it will go abroad? There are art collectors, and paying galleries in this country too.

    Probably the biggest flaw in British society, is we just don't know how to let things go. I mean we still harp on about '66, there's still people who won't talk about 'The War' (cue Basil Fauwlty reference), and we are the worst group of Kleptomaniac's around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rydra View Post
    If we as a country are so desperate to keep these 'works of art' then we should do what we can to keep them here.
    But having them sit in the basement of a free art gallery is not the way. If we really want them, then they need to be on display, and IMO there needs to be an entrance fee to go in these places, albeit a modest one.
    The point people are making is they are there to generate money on the long term, as an investment.
    A item that spends most of it's time in a box, in a free museum is of no use to us. The critic was not saying sell it all off, far from it.
    As with all walks of life, everyone has something they can't bring themselves to ever get rid of, in case they might want/need it. But sometimes, when you need the cash, or the space you just have to bite the bullet and get rid.
    You are equating art with just a financial goal, when it obviously isn't.

    A piece of national (or even local) heritage should not be sold, but some random modern artist's piece that some art nut will pay half a million for the bent out of shape bicycle with a clown painted on it, well I won't shed any tears about it. And who's to say it will go abroad? There are art collectors, and paying galleries in this country too.
    That attitude would mean that we cease actually creating anything new. Why bother, its all going to be judged as nonsense when you compare it to the Da Vinci's of times gone by.

    Probably the biggest flaw in British society, is we just don't know how to let things go. I mean we still harp on about '66, there's still people who won't talk about 'The War' (cue Basil Fauwlty reference), and we are the worst group of Kleptomaniac's around.
    It isn't a flaw, it is part of being British! One of the things people take the mickey out of the USA for is the fact they have no 'real' history. We should cherish our past, as it guides us in the future.

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    @Rydra

    There isn't room to get everything out of the boxes ... some museums and galleries have closed over the years to save money as the costs for keeping buildings running was too much and they were able to sell the land for good prices, but at least they kept the artwork / artefacts.

    You also have the problem that one gallery might own 3 pictures by an artist, another might own some miniatures, another have the sketchbooks, etc ... as a gallery, if you took everything out of *your* boxes it would be an unstructured mess that would not be a pleasure to view. So, museums and galleries agree to share stuff when it is needed. It also means that galleries and museums can keep their displayed collections fresh and interesting.

    Why would any local want to visit a gallery and see the same stuff month after month ... when a group of them can circulate round a collection which gives a far better story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook View Post
    Why would any local want to visit a gallery?

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