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    I run AV scans from Kaspersky, which I have installed but not running most of the time once every few weeks, at minimum once a month. It hasn't picked up anything in years.

    I don't really do torrenting except for the odd TV episode i've missed (i missed house a couple weeks ago as I was out for the evening!), and any other software I don't install updates or new stuff immediately, I learn from Sims.net, always wait a few weeks before installing stuff in case of bugs that break more important things!

    Viruses only really come in one way: I've clicked on something I shouldn't have. And nowadays, the most malicious of viruses are these 'fake' virus/AV cleaning ones, which from my experience even the best AV systems don't pickup on.

    I teach the staff here if they ever get a window up they don't like/want, and I am not a phonecall away, do not click any grey buttons within it. Click the X's in the corner, press Alt+F4, or simply log off the PC if neither of those are available and they are unsure. Clicking things is what causes viruses!

    Lastly, I'm a stay at home nerd who plays one of 2 or 3 MMO's, I have about 12 different password sets, all of which are unique within a set area (So no two Work PW are the same, no two game PW are the same etc etc.) I don't have enough money in an account to worry about, don't own a credit card, and rarely buy stuff over the internet, I'm a cash/card man. I like looking at things before buying, and don't like stuff being delivered if I can avoid it.

    I'm not 100% safe, but if any of these people REALLY want my credit card details, or my game login's, a simple home AV is not going to stop them if they can still get past a hardware firewall, install a trojan without my knowledge, then run password scanners, steal my email/forum PW, then crack the PW's to my games, and the 4 seperate details/passwords required to get into my online banking

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolfea View Post
    I'm not a huge Nix user, so this could be a really stupid question, but is OS like Ubuntu etc less prone to virus', like OS X is less prone to virus'?


    The only reason they are 'less prone' is that nobody can be bothered to target a minority of users when they have so many Windows noobs to choose from. Why struggle to terrify the 5% of (considerably more experienced) *nix users into buying your fake anti-virus software when you can get the other 90% to do it with a kit worm?

    The few worms that are in the wild for *nix systems are many, many times more destructive, and anybody that thinks they're invulnerable because they don't use Windows is just plain stupid.

    (tip: for sensible versions of Ubuntu it's "apt-get install clamav clamav-freshclam clamtk rkhunter")
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    Thumbs up Running with no antivirus is good sometimes

    if you run steadystate deepfreeze timegate etc why use antivirus as well because even if you get a virus you could just reboot your computer to fix it. In fact if you want to test a virus to see what it does then this is a good way to do it.
    If you run an internet cafe or a public pc system or primary school without a domain etc just to access internet services etc why would you want bloatware antivirus to manage all you need is a pc with any of the above software installed to do this. Computer broken reboot it to fix no virus can infect a read only system use a pen drive to save docs lock c:\ no virus no antivirus no updates no problems this is the only way i would set up a pc running no antivirus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolfea View Post
    I'm not a huge Nix user, so this could be a really stupid question, but is OS like Ubuntu etc less prone to virus', like OS X is less prone to virus'?
    No, there are less viruses around for Linux, and the majority are targetted at Windows.

    There is some ground to the claim that Linux is inherently more secure, but the main reason it's less 'prone' is the lack of targetting by virus writers.

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    I run neither on my desktop. Well, not in the main use environments. Not much point as they're VMs with snapshots! The Host OS has AV. Incoming router has SPI. Virtuals get nothing at all, as it's pretty pointless..

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    Quote Originally Posted by bladedanny View Post
    As the title suggests really. Do you? If so why and if not, why not?

    I'm just after peoples opinions.

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    Yep - got a few at home with no AV on at all. Never once got a nasty on any of them and they all run XP and all are on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by selu View Post
    if you run steadystate deepfreeze timegate etc why use antivirus as well because even if you get a virus you could just reboot your computer to fix it. In fact if you want to test a virus to see what it does then this is a good way to do it.
    That takes no account of the immediate payload: keylogging, spam broadcasting, and so on can all take place free as you like until you next reboot.

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    yes, Unfortunately I have. And would like to say that will never repeat this experiment again. Almost all my data was failed becouse of viruses I got from the Internet. Actually I dont remember why I didnt install any antivirus...Maybe just forgot...But lesson was succeed. Now at home I use Avast antivirus. Its free and has home edition version. So rather comfortable for me. Moreover I try to scan the system with AVZ. It is free also. I understand that no one antivirus can protect your PC totally. Any antivirus has its own weak points. That is why I try to use both of them.
    On my work PC I use Kaspersky. To my mind it has the most ideal system of protection....But it isnt ideal still...
    And of course firewall on work PC.

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    True but if you noticed a slowdown in what you were doing on your computer you would just reboot. No antivirus is flawless keylogging, spam broadcasting, can all happen with antivirus running. Its all about the user experiance no av = fast pc reboot to fix means a monkey can fix it no need for geeks onsite.

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    the best protection of your pc is you...You have to understand how many viruses are in the INternet. And nowadays they are not only on porn sites how it used to be. Now you can catch it anywhere. One of my colleagues got it from his provider official website 2 weeks again. So I think that the supplemental plug ins in your browser are necessary. Like No Scripts in FF and so on.

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    I'm actually astounded at the blasť attitude some of you have towards viruses...

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    I have a few machines without AV on here, but they are all dedicated devices like Digital Signage that don't get the oppertunity to pick up nasties as easily.

    I never used to run AV on my home machine, but then about 2 or 3 months after completeing a very large assignment (which luckily had been submited) I lost the entire contents of my hard drive to a virus in such a way that it was un-recoverable as well. I well and truly learnt my lesson and have run AV ever since.

    I thought, just like some of you here, that I was tech savvy enough to avoid all the pitfalls that usually lead to machine contracting a virus, and that AV software was a waste of money. Thign is it's well worth remembering that some genuine viruses are so subtle that the only way you'll notice they're on your machine is when they've done whatever nasty deed it is they were designed to do. It my case, the program was slowly overwriting portions of my drive with blank space in such a way that evetually the whole thing got corrupted beyond repair. The first I noticed of this was when windows started behaving improperly, and eventually crashed and wouldn't boot. File recoverey software proved fruitless as the virus had done a lovely job of destroying the data on the drive, so throrough that a lot of data destruction companies would have been quite proud I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LosOjos View Post
    I'm actually astounded at the blasť attitude some of you have towards viruses...
    Really ? A great deal of it is AV vendors etc just desperate to sell you their products to make money.

    George Smith 'Virus Creation Labs: A Journey into the Underground' (VX heavens)

    Is a good read.

    I've had to clear up mess etc in the past because of basically user stupidity but for IT savy people I personally think it's un-necessary. For my mum and non IT savy people, it's vital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bladedanny View Post
    The reason I asked this question is because on a local forum related to computers/tech (but aimed at home users) people 'claiming' to be clued up in IT are offering the advice to home users not to run antiviruses or firewalls as they slow your computer down and you don't really need them. When I pointed this out otherwise I got shouted down for doing so.
    Ah, you've encountered "black viper" syndrome. Misinformation, fanboyism and "experts".

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete View Post
    Ah, you've encountered "black viper" syndrome. Misinformation, fanboyism and "experts".
    Or as I call it - FAS - False Authority Syndrome

    False Authority Syndrome

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