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    Spending Review Thoughts...

    So as no one has started a thread views on the spending review..

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    Well I fired up google news when I got home and was very disappointed by the lack of criticism, looks like they have not been as tough as one expected, and looks like they will be doing the cuts in a more devious manor. I guess we need wait a couple of years to see the full impact.
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    It's too depressing.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by russdev View Post
    So as no one has started a thread views on the spending review..

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    What's the point - it's a Tory run country with Tory run values - screw the poor to feed the rich.

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    Time to protest, shout and have a bit of civil unrest. Half a million people losing their jobs is totally wrong.

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    It's apparently already been happening i.e. there are some stats somewhere (couldn't quickly find the link again sorry) that say public sector jobs decreased by ~40,000 in the first half of this year. Times that rate by the timescale and you're 3/4 of the way there[1]

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    I did late lunch and watched it - the most interesting bit of course is that schools are approximately "safe" i.e. although there may be a bit of Peter & Paul going on re. the alleged budget increase, when you factor in pupil numbers and so on. The devil & the detail.

    Have resolved to encourage Sprogette to be a rocket scientist when she grows up. Only flaw with that plan is: a) I know a couple of science folk working for a household name who got made redundant recently, b) T'other half is a Creative[tm] so there will be a bit of a tug of war.

    [1] Plus, not sure whether this counts here, but apparently everyone working for *those* banks has been included in the "public sector" employees total and it was a massive number. Undo that at some future point and...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tech_guy View Post
    Time to protest, shout and have a bit of civil unrest. Half a million people losing their jobs is totally wrong.
    that's half a million compared to everyone if this country falls on its bum and can't get up. If you read the actual detail a majority of those half million will be posts that are left naturally (retirement) and won't be filled again. For the rest, over 4 years it's not too bad, 178000 jobs were created this year so it'll balance out and gradually improve.
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    it's clear the coalishun bottled out of making any truly tough decisions and addressing the problems of allocation of spend, instead relying on politiking to get one up on the opposition with the ridiculous '19% on average cuts instead of labours 20%' while at the same time effectively mimicking the opposition strategy of sparing the sacred cows the type of pain that will instead fall disproportionately on depts. with already smaller budgets, not to mention picking the usual easy targets within our benefits system.

    and all for what ? to address a self-created bogeyman, namely the 'structural deficit'.

    as for the figures re public sector job losses, it seems to me these will be concentrated in some areas, particularly the civil service with all the 'efficiency' savings that need to be made, and the local authorities which are seeing a 7.1% real terms cuts. For a while though it appears these losses will come ostensibly through 'natural wastage'.

    all in all i don't think the decisions made yesterday to draw out the next period of spending are the 'risk' to the economy that some of the press are suggesting. it's certainly been a missed opportunity, for me the spending review should have been more than just a numbers game to balance the books.
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    The Coalition has already done some of the major changes they wanted to do with the emergency budget, the culling of QANGOs, decentralising some stuff and so on ... the CSR is the start of the mopping up of it all and forcing departments to get strategies written and published. Only then will we see what direction things are going in.

    Education will see some pain at school level, but a lot of pain at HE. Perhaps the goals of getting 50% of all youngsters into uni will go and it will become harder to get in, harder to fund ad the people which come out of it will have real qualifications that mean something in the real world and not just be media studies specialising in The Jetsons (if it was The Simpson they would be able to get away with it!) ... off to get my Daily Mail now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook View Post
    The Coalition has already done some of the major changes they wanted to do with the emergency budget, the culling of QANGOs, decentralising some stuff and so on ... the CSR is the start of the mopping up of it all and forcing departments to get strategies written and published. Only then will we see what direction things are going in.
    but i'm confused as to what impact there is on the actual DfE budget, is there no change because the education quango's that are going or going to be merged constitute the 'cuts' ? What of the departments capital spending ? I can't believe there wasn't scope to make cuts covering the next spending period while still protecting schools budgets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumbleDook View Post
    ... off to get my Daily Mail now.
    Run out of toilet paper have you ?

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    Ive just realised that my pension retirement age has now been raised to 68 !!!! It seems to go up by a year every decade. I'm genuinely wondering if I'll be able to retire before 70 at this rate!

    Maybe France have the right idea..........

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    The news for Education is not as bad as I expected. School Budget rising, University Research (Science Budget) frozen, University Teaching Budget cut (but Fee's raised to make up the difference so overall probably no net change).

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    I've got mixed reviews on these. Firstly, I'm curious what will happen to support staff within schools or tied to working in education. As is frequently pointed out, we are not Teachers or on teachers contracts, so I can see there being some cuts in this area in places, but not widespread.

    There is one simple reason for all of these redundancies that the government want to do.

    A person on unemployment benefits while they cannot find a job is cheaper to pay than someone who is earning a half decent wage.
    The tipping point, comes when the number of unemployed (who don't pay taxes on income and some other things) and the reduced payments as a result start to outweigh the income normally obtained by working people paying taxes.

    The risk they are taking, is to lay off people and hope the private sector can take up the slack. The process of redundancies needs to be carefully managed. The last problem, is converting public sector jobs into private sector ones. There are many roles in the civil service that are not easily transferrable to private sector, where the people doing that job have either a specialist qualification, or just done the job for 10-20 years.

    My mother took voluntary early retirement/redundancy about 2-3 years ago now from the pension service, did some contract work for the local council in a similar role, and now works in a high school doing support work such as exam invigilating, Helping on trips etc. My father is waiting to hear how much of his dept is being made redundant and who, and as a database analyst, work is not exactly easy to come by. And I have a few friends who work elsewhere in civil service, such as the 14-19 provision, all of which have been axed.

    The rumours of university fees and places worrys me greatly. So many people struggle with the debt of university already, so the proposed hike of 3000 up to 7000 per year in fee's will see to it that only the richest will be able to afford university, and cutting the government funding for 40% of their places will make this even worse.

    Plus how dare they scrap the Ark Royal and the Harriers... Two of Britains most Iconic items of war, our aircraft carriers and our harrier jumpjets, and they are being mothballed.

    It's not like you can park the Ark Royal on the Thames and turn it into a museam like the HMS Belfast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robz View Post
    that's half a million compared to everyone if this country falls on its bum and can't get up. If you read the actual detail a majority of those half million will be posts that are left naturally (retirement) and won't be filled again. For the rest, over 4 years it's not too bad, 178000 jobs were created this year so it'll balance out and gradually improve.
    Er no it won't balance out. The public sector jobs going are high paid, high skilled (well highly qualified anyway) as most of the low level public jobs have already been farmed off to the private sector but new private sector jobs are normally low paid, low skilled.

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