General Chat Thread, Driving - opinions please in General; Right, in our office we have just had a miniature debate. Basically our MFL tech came in and because I'm ...
27th September 2010, 02:58 PM #1
Driving - opinions please
Right, in our office we have just had a miniature debate. Basically our MFL tech came in and because I'm getting a new car the conversation changed to cars. She said she needed a 140bhp 2.0 diesel Seat Ibiza. I then asked, "You need it or want it?" To which she stated she needed it. I asked why and she said that it was because she had some pretty steep banks too go up and she needed the extra power.
Then I asked how come she doesn't just change into an appropriate gear to which she said (which I'm not disputing the answer she gave) that in her 140bhp Seat, sixth gear is appropriate. I mentioned about just changing gear and making sure you have enough revs etc and have plenty of power for overtakes and climbing banks. The reactions was that with the power she doesn't need to. The guy i work with (has a Civic Type R) said he preffered having more power so that overtakes and the like are easier.
So onto my point of the poll, do people get big engined cars because they need them or want them? My thoughts are that unless you need a high-powered car then you may as well just get a little car and learn to use the gearbox properly.
Just to clarify, before getting flamed by people that jump the gun I am simply airing my opinion and am in no way sayin people who have bigger engined cars are poor drivers or anything like that. The issue simply intrigued me and caused me to wonder what others thought.
27th September 2010, 03:04 PM #2
She is right in one respect as the larger vehicle will use less diesel compared to a smaller car as the torque of the larger vehicle will allow for higher gear whereas the smaller car as you have stated requires the driver to gear down and use higher revs thus burning fuel at a much faster rate than the larger vehicle.
Some people are of the opinion that small is often better but in a majority of cases i.e.1.9 Tdi diesel being the optimum engine size for better fuel consumption at all levels plus added comfort and easier driving.
I am not stating that bigger is better just that under certain circumstances it is.
27th September 2010, 03:04 PM #3
I am a bit of a petrol head so like the big engine cars. I do a lot of mileage and it's just more a matter of fun on which car I want, not convenience. I don't worry about having to use the gearbox, it is there to be used so I will use it appropriately.
27th September 2010, 03:19 PM #4
Fair points, much appreciated.
I can understand where people are coming from preferring a bigger engine. I am changing down from a 1.6 Astra to a 1.25 Fiesta.
27th September 2010, 03:25 PM #5
I went from a 1.2 Fiesta to a 2.0 Focus. Quite enjoyable but won't be happy until I get the BMW 330i. Ohhhhh yeeeeh.
Originally Posted by DAZZD88
27th September 2010, 03:34 PM #6
As a comparison Top Gear drove a Toyota Prius flat out around a track, they then had JC follow it in a BMW M3. Now the M3 barely had to draw breath to keep up with the Prius, and as a result used less fuel.
Also as for the small/big car argument as cars get older the gap narrows. In fact when you get to the bottom of the market small cars are often worth more because they're cheaper to run. I've always had larger cars, because I've never done many miles, and also most smaller cars are less refined.
Last edited by K.C.Leblanc; 27th September 2010 at 03:41 PM.
27th September 2010, 03:37 PM #7
I went for the large engine option mainly because of the number of miles I do. I've always found them better for commuting and the engines last longer - my last car was replaced at 205,000 miles purely because it needed a lot of welding doing which wasn't cost effective.
27th September 2010, 03:38 PM #8
Petrol-head here as well....well Diesel-Head at the moment, have a Chrysler 300c which is a 3.0 V6 Diesel. I would say though that this was definitely bought as a WANT and not a need. It took me a lot of saving and going without of other items, and my personal opinion is that anything that is above the main human survival is automatically a want and not a need so carefully consider every purchase I make....
.....though some can say I am over-frugal!!
27th September 2010, 03:41 PM #9
I'd go with big engine too.
More power makes for safer overtaking. I've got a 1.8Si Escort estate and live out in the sticks.......
If it was the car I WANTED, it would be a Land Rover Disco with a big engine!!!
27th September 2010, 04:07 PM #10
But then Prius owners don't tend to thrash their cars about...
Originally Posted by K.C.Leblanc
I find stop-starting to be the createst consumer of my precious petrol. I have to drive through a traffic jam just over 1 mile long every morning. Can take up to 10 mins during term time, and almost no stops during the school hols. I find the jam increases my consumption by approx. 2mpg
I also like having enough power for overtaking, but wish I had an extra "economy" gear.
27th September 2010, 04:08 PM #11
It would depend on your driving style and use. If you like to be able to overtake and have that bit of spare, maybe you will be towing things, then bigger is better. If you are just nipping round town, with a few long runs then smaller would probably make sense.
I think mine is a 1.3 or 1.4 and sometimes really wish I had a little bit more oomph, I don't bother with an overtake as I know it could be a bit tight. But generally no problems so it isn't an issue
In a perfect world do I want a bigger engine. Hell yeahs. Gimme a Range Rover Sport any day, watch those things hoon it!
In my opinion most people want bigger engines. Few need. But that doesn't make it a bad thing.
27th September 2010, 04:14 PM #12
What do women know about cars? *Takes cover*
</tongue in cheek comment before I get lynched>
27th September 2010, 04:16 PM #13
ive had a 1.2 clio and now have a 1.8 focus, and drive wise the focus wins hands down its never maxed out, if you need that little bit more power its got it. As for the costs the focus was cheaper than the clio (but yet its got more extras and a bigger engine?) and fuel wise the it gets about the same distance to a tank although it does cost more to fill (bigger tank) but youd expect a bigger engine to need more fuel
27th September 2010, 04:19 PM #14
I have a 2.5L and its still too slow, I also use the gearbox plenty but there again we have some really winedy mountainus roads that are just no fun with an anemic vehical. Having driven through mountain passes with a little 1.8 toyata corrola and a much more powerful 2.5L car I much preffer the bigger one.
27th September 2010, 04:21 PM #15
I'd prefer a larger option, but I usually just buy whatever my mates dad has going when I need a new car. These are usually smaller hatches like Clio's but the latest purchase was a 1.7CDTi Astra. I wouldn't say the 1.7CDTi is a large engine, nor a small engine. I pay £90 p/y tax on it, and it has plenty of poke when I get my toe down. Quick enough to blitz past a hazardous driver doing 40, slow enough to have red cheeks when attempting to go past a 330
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