General Chat Thread, Driving - opinions please in General; When I lived in Brentwood, Eseesx, and drove into London at night for work, I had a 1.2 Kia Picanto. ...
27th September 2010, 03:29 PM #16
When I lived in Brentwood, Eseesx, and drove into London at night for work, I had a 1.2 Kia Picanto. Tiny car, tiny engine.....
However, despite being underpowered around the M25 and A13, it'd still do 70.....But it came into it's own once I reached Central London.
See a gap? Go for it! Snappy acceleration and lots of fun. It was a breeze driving around the city.
Now that I live in the sticks, and although I really need a 4WD, the Scort does the job, especially on the back roads of Suffolk!
27th September 2010, 03:34 PM #17
Errr... Smaller car, less mass, better mpg. Typically. The Top Gear excesses duly noted.
Originally Posted by bossman
I'm currently running a 1400 Jazz, but that is soon to go. I'm heading towards a circa 2l oil-burner again. Similar MPG, but I want the comfort of my Citroen Xantia back. The Jazz is SO noisy! Did 450 miles in it yesterday, and my head is still ringing.
The choice is between the C5, and a Skoda Octavia. I think...
27th September 2010, 03:38 PM #18
Sometimes people confuse power & torque; in general more torque means less effort & fewer gearchanges. Turbo diesels generally provide huge amounts of torque vs petrol engines, even petrol turbos. My 2.2l turbo diesel motorhome weighing 3500kg takes less effort to drive than my ex-Honda Civic 1.8 petrol which was over 2000kg lighter; both had around 140bhp but the diesel had loads more torque available at much lower revs whereas the Honda engine had to be screaming to get any torque. In the Honda it was embarrassing trying to pull out & overtake in anything above 3rd gear unless the engine was spinning at 4000-5000rpm, the motorhome could easily out pull the Honda in all higher gears (at legal speeds) thanks to the low-down torque from its turbo. Also I find revvy engines such as the Hondas quite tiring to drive with a manual gearbox, which is why I now have a Honda Accord petrol with an auto box
Of course, all the torque in modern turbo diesels has a downside; high pressure injection systems with incredibly fine tolerances that foul up, Dual mass flywheels (DMF) on bigger engines which have spring dampers to soak up excessive torque when moving off (otherwise you get excessive wheel spin and/or broken transmissions). DMFs are made to quite high tolerances and the springs can be damaged by excessive heat (too much slipping the clutch) and are very expensive to replace when they go wrong. Add to that diesels appetite for turbos, Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) clogging and you have a recipe for expensive repairs with a modern TD engines.
Having said all that, a decent sized TD in a small car (eg Seat Ibiza or Skoda Fabia vRS) can be fun.
27th September 2010, 03:44 PM #19
Octavia - go VAG. Nice and solid, and not overly french.
I had a rather tasty Golf 1.6FSI DSG 6 speeder - economy, and yet still ridiculously rapid and long legged -100 in 4th, not even close to being out of puff.
Now back in my 1.6 8v Astra auto. On paper it's lacking in power. In practise? Keep it on the boil, it'll go up nice steep hills at 50+ with sports mode engaged. More than enough.
I prefer handling over power, and Astras are EXTREMELY chuckable with most satisfying chassis feedback and lots of warning should you overcook it. Roundabouts with camber make me smile.
27th September 2010, 03:49 PM #20
Been insured on my dads Alfa 147 1.9td and also drive the other half's 1.0 Peugeot 107. The difference is quite scary. Although, because the 107 is so light, it is very nippy around town.
27th September 2010, 04:00 PM #21
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I used to have a Peugeot 206 which was a diesel and a 1.4 but the drive isn't the same as my current car. I have a Ford Mondeo now which is a 2 litre tdci. The main reason I got this car is because it is very much a confortable car and easy to relax in. There is no small car out there that gives me the comfort that my big powerful Ford Mondeo gives me, even if you were to get an Audi A3.
27th September 2010, 04:01 PM #22
Would go for the smaller engine myself, thats only because Im a bit obsessed with fuel economy though.
Currently drive a 1.6 Escort and I worked it out to average around 50mpg on the motorway (although that seems a little high, perhaps I was wrong). Had a 2l Hyundai Coupe at one point and while the extra power was nice, it wasnt worth the extra fuel it drunk.
As an aside, considering getting a 1.9 Diesel Peugeot 306 next...would that be a step upwards in my quest for economy?
27th September 2010, 04:06 PM #23
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I currently have a 1.3 Ka which has 60bhp. While its fine with 1 person in it around Leeds and general driving its plenty powerful. As soon as you get to the mway or a dual carrigeway its less good. It does get to 70, it just takes some time. Where it really struugles through is hills on the motorway and overrtaking. I live near the M62 which is a very hilly motorway and I'm often flat out going up the hills just trying too keep 70.
While I love it for my daily commute to uni, I begin to like it less when I take it on the motorway which I do fairly regularly. When I next change my car then I will look for something a bit more powerful but not loads more powerful (or bigger).
27th September 2010, 04:13 PM #24
Now some people are mentioning cars with biggish engines. But if you're mantra is 'there's no replacement for displacement' you need this.
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27th September 2010, 04:18 PM #25
TBH I think I have a similar mindset to sidewinder, I love trying to get a good MPG. I also like feeling that I'm actually driving the car and using it properly rather than point it in a direction and push the accelerator. I like gearchanges because I reckon it's the proper way to drive. Obviously if there were excessive amounts of gearchanges then that'd be a case for a bigger car with longer gear ratios and a bit more puff.
27th September 2010, 04:19 PM #26
Left field choice: Dodge Caliber. They've got the 140BHP 2.0TDI out of a golf in them IIRC....
Originally Posted by Andrew_C
27th September 2010, 04:23 PM #27
Had a test drive in an Alfa Giulietta at the weekend with their 1.4 turbo multiair engine, haven't stopped smiling since. The multiair gives it an amazing amount of low end torque, bit like a diesel really, but doesn't have the lag of the diesel or sound like you're driving a tractor and goes like a bat out of hell...
Very, very tempting, if it had a german badge on it I'd snap one up straight away, but with an Italian badge I'm a bit reluctant. Saying that, everyone should own an Alfa once in their life ;-)
27th September 2010, 04:51 PM #28
as long as its appropriate its not that bad whatever size engine. Because i do a lot of motorway miles i think going for a 1.6tdci fiesta was a bit of a mistake a 2.0tdci focus would of been better (6 speed box if nothing else) though it does get similar mpg to my 1.9 tdi ibiza (awful car i would never buy a vw based car again with that and the problems other i know have with vags even citrons are more reliable i n my experience). i currently get about 58 mpg from that my previous car a 2.0 focus st170 would do 40 on a good day and was much more fun to drive (like a civic type r i=the engine had 2 "modes" pootle below about 5krpm and turbo nutter bloke above)
27th September 2010, 05:06 PM #29
At the moment we've got access to a VW Passat BlueMotion (the 2 litre diesel version), which despite being a big bertha goes like poo off a shovel! I know people will shout me down, but it easily was on a par with the BMW 525 petrol I had the privilage to drive recently. And it came as quite a shock when I got into my Mother's BMW 116, and I had need to "put one's foot down" to get out the way of a nutcase (ok, so it was a nutcase in a police car with blues and twos blazing...), and IT DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE! So I'd go for the bigger engine given half the chance, but that is a want not a need, especially considering that I don't own a car at all!
Oh, and the Passat also has the added benefit of averaging 75mpg on the motorway
27th September 2010, 06:24 PM #30
Currently driving (and loving) my BMW 123d M-Sport. 2L Twin Turbo Diesel - 204bhp 300ft/lb - real world 40mpg (50+ for grannies) 138g/km of CO2!
I would never buy a car with less than 170bhp or a huge wedge of torque again, but thats just my preference; easy, refined driving is more me than thrashing a lower powered or N/A car
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