General Chat Thread, Open Evenings in General; Originally Posted by elsiegee40
And what do they do next?
Go home and see what inappropriate sites they can find ...
24th September 2010, 03:09 PM #16
Originally Posted by elsiegee40
You are running with this aren't you!!!! Believe me, when kids can't gain access to something, they soon give up, especially here. This is more for the parents, not the children. And if you think an inncoent trial such as this will turn them into computer tyrants - you are deluded!!!!
24th September 2010, 03:21 PM #17
What prize do I win if I come and display porn on all your computers? Seriously dude, you are either extreamly arogant or extreamly nieve to think you know everything.
24th September 2010, 03:31 PM #18
I'd like to see you try and put porn on!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by j17sparky
I think you have already won the prize!!! Where does it say I know everything. I want children to gain access to games websites etc so I can show the parents what happens next, etc etc!
Jeeess, what is it with everyone, taking this waaaaaaay too seriously!!! Lighten up, it's to enlighten their parents on online safety within the school. Not to promote young deviants and miscreants. These are young 9 and 10 year old's who may or may not be up for a little challenge - what's the harm - christ!!!!!!!!!!
Last edited by KWestos; 24th September 2010 at 03:36 PM.
24th September 2010, 03:36 PM #19
9 or 10 year old is when kids start realising their "bits" arnt just for pishing out of. How exactly are you going to explain to a room full of parents why there is porn on a computer screen?
Originally Posted by KWestos
Do I win another prize if I can guess what your next thread will be about?
24th September 2010, 03:40 PM #20
The bigger question is : - Why their little angel is looking for porn in the first place? As my 10 year old certainly wouldn't!!!! He'd be far more interested in trying to get to miniclip!!!!
24th September 2010, 03:47 PM #21
the kids aren't going to stand a chance anyway, most the year 6s at my schools have no concept of how the connection works (although nor do the teachers but thats not the point)
The parents who work in IT will take our stance, those that don't work in IT will most likely be impressed but will loose all faith if someone does break it, do you really want to risk it?
No matter how confident i was in my net filter i wouldn't give an open invite to a room full of people i've never met before to bypass it.
24th September 2010, 03:53 PM #22
Originally Posted by Arcath
I appreciate your answer. But the level headed parents know that there's no such thing as 100% fullproof (even Durex won't do that). But they have to realsie that if and only if they find a 'my little pony site' for example. What systems we have in place to block it and impose sanctions. This surely must be a little bit of comfort to parents - surely!!!!
24th September 2010, 04:19 PM #23
You've hit the nail on the head there. So it's all about 'risk assessment' really.
Originally Posted by Arcath
@KWestos: no-one is doubting your capabilities but, since you posted your proposal on Edugeeks, it would be reasonable to assume that you're asking whether we think it's a good idea or not - and it would seem the overwhelming response is 'no, it's not - please don't do it'.
The risk you're taking has far greater implications than you're contemplating, not just for you but for the whole school. Worst-case scenario: imagine someone manages to crack your superb protection and displays porn on one of your network computers, in front of 50 prospective parents. One of them then takes a quick photo on his mobile and sends it to the local rag - now the school's a laughing stock and you're queuing at the job centre.
If you've any sense you'll take the good advice that's been offered you and find something cleverer to do on Open Evening.
24th September 2010, 04:48 PM #24
Having just read through the WHOLE thread....I can honestly say that I agree with Timzim.
What sounds like a really good idea is actually pretty flawed, for exactly the reasons that Tim gives. I have nothing but absolute faith in our filters, here, but I wouldn't want to expose them to the efforts of a group of parents....mainly because you never know when one of them might be an IT guru, who will get round your filters in a moment!
It is worth YOU putting on a mini-demonstration of what the filters do, and then an explanation of what happens should the policy be breached......but encouraging people to crack the filters AND offering an incentive to do it......Hmmmm I cannot believe for one second that my ICT Manager would sanction that!
24th September 2010, 04:54 PM #25
Agreed with the 2 responses above - doing a demonstration showing how their child would be blocked if he searches for games or facebook will impress/reassure parents enough without opening you up to the risk of challengeing people to get past it. As others have said, if someone does, best case it could make you look a little silly, worst case you end up with porn displayed to parents (we all realise its very unlikely, but it is possible)
24th September 2010, 05:01 PM #26
why not just have the demo set up yourself? you use impero on the projector to broadcast a student machine, you log in and show what would happen when they try to do something (either the impero blocks or impero whitelist, etc) and then close the remote control or broadcast and then show what has come up on the impero console and how that can be used. also show the logviewer.
but no matter how confident you are, don't rely on the network, do the demo yourself rather than letting parents and kids do it. all you need is one thing to happen (impero service stops on client, group policy fails to apply on one machine) and it could turn from good to bad quickly. at least if you do the demo and sense impero hasn't kicked in or the right policy isn't applying you can turn it around
29th September 2010, 11:04 AM #27
Many thanks to all the detractor's who doubted my proposed evening. We had the open evening last night and asked the kids etc to to avoid the filters and what a resounding success!!!!! The evening provided what we wanted - reassured parents of our tight security and stringent safeguarding procedures!!!!!!!! If you don't try, if you don't put your neck on the line, if you don't trust what you do - what's the point?????
29th September 2010, 11:24 AM #28
Congratulations on your event.
Nothing went wrong, so there's no egg on your face. But, now that you've got the children interested in trying to find a way around the filters, don't be surprised if they manage it in future!
"If you don't try, if you don't put your neck on the line, if you don't trust what you do - what's the point?????" - Agreed, but I would like to find a better way, than challenging children/adults to hack the filter!
29th September 2010, 12:02 PM #29
its not that we don't trust our filtering methods its that we wouldn't risk that open evening being the evening that the filtering server mis behaves, or the evening the RBC filters die.
Originally Posted by KWestos
The NM in the school i used to go to got the point across to us in 6th form no problem with a powerpoint and screen shots.
In my opinion there where less risky ways of getting the message across that stood no chance of blowing up in your face.
29th September 2010, 01:10 PM #30
Maybe I like the drama and risk????? The demonstration ended up right throughout the school on ANY computer and judging by the feedback forms, parents were more than happy with the demonstration. If things had gone wrong, then you hold your hand up, admit somethings gone wrong and you fix it - simple. I was prepared for the RBC filter to fail, our filters to fail, potential ports to open, etc. If you are not prepared, then that's when you are in trouble!!!!! It's very easy to become stale in the school environment and when an opportunity arises to put you well and truly on your toes - GRAB IT!!!!! -
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