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    Public Sector salaries (Panorama tonight)


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    Interesting, seeing as people tend to forget that the PM himself insisted on a pay cut to set an example.

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    PUBLIC SECTOR SALARIES

    38,045 earn over 100,000
    1,000 earn over 200,000
    9,187 earn more than PM
    10 GPs earn over 300,000
    1 GP in Hillingdon PCT earns 475,000
    17 teachers earn more than PM
    331 BBC managers earn more than 100,000
    362 local council employees earn more than PM


    Thats quite something!

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    The government has already revealed that pay for the top 5% of earners in the public sector has risen by 51% in the past 10 years.
    Which is funny, because the likes of us lowly technicians, pay has not gone up except with inflation in, what, 15 years?

    The jobs I see coming up now are the same salary at least 5-7 years ago when i started job hunting (in some cases inflation has had no affect, and they haven't gone up!), yet the gap from 'technician' pay to 'manager' pay increases every year.

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    The figure for the BBC Managers is staggering - 331 managers on 100k + a year

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteM View Post
    The figure for the BBC Managers is staggering - 331 managers on 100k + a year
    But like that, it's meaningless.

    How many managers does the BBC have? Does this represent 1% of its managers or 90%? What percentage of managers in (say) Tesco are on more than 100k?

    It's loads more money than I get but it doesn't meant to say it's wrong. What we should be looking at is why some people get paid so little even though they do a fantastic job rather than just dragging everyone down to the lowest possible salary (because that's where this looks like it's going - it won't be "well, we can take the money we saved on the top salaries and give a pay rise lower down")

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizzard View Post
    Interesting, seeing as people tend to forget that the PM himself insisted on a pay cut to set an example.
    No great hardship when your a multi millionaire . He's not there for the money but the power

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    The question of how much should someone be paid is a difficult one to answer.

    As a general rule, a manager should earn more than those he manages. Firstly because he is responsible for not just his own work, but ultimately for the work of those below them.
    As a result the more levels you add in, the higher the person at the top will earn.

    So in the line we work in there are two main tree's; the teachers and the support line.
    TA < Teacher < Head of Dept/Year < Deputy Head < Assistant Head < Headteacher
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    Technician < Department manager < Support team manager < Assistant Head < Headteacher

    this isn't set in stone, some will have more or less tiers, but that is generally how it works.

    As a rough guess, the salary banding for a role is about 10% of the base salary. So if you start a job earning 20k, you'll finish earning about 22-23k at the top of your salary band. Usually, from one role to the next level up will be 2-3 grades higher to allow for flexibility, so after the 20k starter, the next level of manager is about 28k, then next up will be about 40k and so on and so on.

    So for the BBC to have a lot of managers at 100k+ is not a far stretch if they conform to that general principle of salary banding.

    How often does the boss earn just 1-2k more than the technician? usually the gap is about 30-50% higher.

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    Doesn't the support line stop at Bursar though? Headteacher seems a bit of a stretch for someone with no teaching qualifications.

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    BBC News - Public Sector pay

    I can't help but think that over a quarter of a million pounds annually for being the Chief Police Officer in the Fraud Office is borderline fraud already...

    260k+ for the Works & Pensions IT director as well, which has got to be a pretty cushty number - it's not like anyone expects government IT to work anyway!

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    1 GP in Hillingdon PCT earns 475,000
    17 teachers earn more than PM

    That GP is in my PCT and it infuriates me because there are so many shortfalls within the healthcare offered within this borough, and as for the teachers - if that includes headteachers, then our principal is part of that statistic which infuriates me even more!! However, we are an Academy.

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    Perhaps we should have the system like the US has where no public sector employee can earn more than the president (circa $400,000 (256,962) as of 2 years ago, not including expenses)?
    I'm not sure if they still have that system, but it sounds fair to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dos_Box View Post
    not including expenses
    We'd end up with even more people claiming to have their moats cleaned.

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    the figures that i'd be interested to know is how many private sector contractors were paid six-figure salaries last year for working on public sector contracts/projects ['m thinking big IT and mgmt consultancy predominantly]. That spend comes out of the public coffers, whether it's a local govt. project or another public sector body buying into a new system of working or upgrading/implementing a proprietary system.

    whatever the merits/reasoning for paying some public sector manager high five figure or low six figure salaries, atleast they are paying top rate of tax on those 'earnings'. A self-employed contractor/subcontractor whose pay isn't subject to the same media scrutiny probably doesn't have as high a tax buren on the six-figures sums their services command. But it's the flying under the radar aspect which is most galling, while we become indignant about a comparatively small number of 40% tax paying PAYE managers, the IT and business consultant bods are quietly raking it in. at taxpayers expense!!

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    Time for teh Axe to fall one thinks

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