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    Insomnia

    Since the death of my Mum, to whom I was very close I am experiencing insomnia pretty bad.

    I have had Zopiclone for 2 weeks; these literally had no affect on me (apparently being built like a grizzly bear doesnít help). I am now on Tamezepam and these keep me asleep, but I am maybe sleeping 4-5 hours on a good night, but they improve my mood alot.

    I have tried exercise (45-50 mins cardio at the gym), no caffeine, warm milk & honey, reading a book but nothing is working! I am running on near empty, my body aches constantly because of it.

    My general attitude has changed, I am pretty bitter, totally becoming an IRL troll/ogre and want confrontation and socially reclusive, I can bearly hold a conversation.

    Doctors keep saying itís down to the death, I imagine it plays a big part but itís getting no better. As a lot of you work in IT Iíd guess a portion suffer from the above, I donít attribute it all to the death (I wasnít great before). My goals are two-fold, able to sleep & able to socially interact without wanting to tear somebody a new bottom hole Ė doctors are shrugging it off because of the death and Iím worried itís more than that. Counselling has been tried and failed; does anybody have a good method of talking to Doctors without being made to feel like youíre not believed or so they take me seriously?

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    From my experience a lot of it depends on the doctor in question and moving around till you can find one that you can work with, this has been the best solution for me. The other thing that I would look into is requesting a referal to a specialist in the area of concern. That way you are far more likely to get someone who actually knows what they are doing and is more likely to be able to help rather than downplay things they don't have the skills to deal with.

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    Any news on the Dubai thing?

    If not are you in the position to be able to go away for a while somewhere.. Just somewhere completely different away from everything.. A week to Spain on the beach, or a cottage by a loch in Scotland, or such? A day by the beach with the sea air and swimming, or a walk through the hills, is always tiring, and the change will take your mind off whatever it is (even if its subconscious and you don't realise) thats keeping you awake..

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    The practice of Tai Chi really helped me to overcame this dark scenarios, it is difficult to keep the will up and one had to close the eyes and try to go through, that's life after all, isn't it?

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    It doesn't sound to me like your Doctor is being particularly helpful. Is there another doctor who you can get a second opinon from - perhaps look to make an appointment on a day you know your Doc isn't working if you don't want to outright as for a second opinion?

    Do you suffer with any other related symptoms like headaches, dizziness, restless leg syndrome?
    Did Zopiclone have absolutely no effect? What doesage / strength were you on?

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    Dubai isn't happening for a few reasons, none of which in my control, the company lost the contract I'd have been looking after and they're now cutting staff... I had to swallow my pride and go un-resign, that was probably the most difficult thing I've done for a long while - but the sleep has been an issue for along time, not because of this - thankfully the school were pretty good about it.

    Zopiclone 7.5mg daily, I went for 15mg but it made me feel literally drunk (was so fed up with no sleep so self prescribed a double up, not recommended)... and more awake than I was before I took it. I get leg jerks when I do sleep, they wake me up but nothing any worse as a symptom... I just can't stop thinking, it isn't necessarily bad things I think about either. I get 30mg Tamazepam but it's supposed to be addictive, it doesn't make me sleepy it just stops be getting woken up so easy. For example, I had 4 1/2 hours last night undisturbed but that was my lot!

    My Docs surgery is a problem, I see a different Doc each time I go... I've never had the same Doc twice, that is the same with the other Doctors surgery in Windsor, I have tried walking, gym, fishing... I have tried to mentally knacker myself out too with puzzles, games and wake myself up further.

    I haven't been away from here just yet but money has been an issue as has the funeral and bits, to be honest i am over the death - i just want to sleep now.
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    Get all this down in writing, including details of what you're tried etc and what you expect them to do and why you are unhappy. Make an appointment to see a doctor again, but make sure you ask to see a practise partner as you are unhappy with how you are being treated and take your notes with you and show them to the doctor and explain your misgivings.
    If you don't get a proper response from that, contact your Primary Care Trust for the region and they will have a complaints procedure to go through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwhyte85 View Post
    Dubai isn't happening for a few reasons, none of which in my control, the company lost the contract I'd have been looking after and they're now cutting staff... I had to swallow my pride and go un-resign, that was probably the most difficult thing I've done for a long while - but the sleep has been an issue for along time, not because of this - thankfully the school were pretty good about it.

    Zopiclone 7.5mg daily, I went for 15mg but it made me feel literally drunk (was so fed up with no sleep so self prescribed a double up, not recommended)... and more awake than I was before I took it. I get leg jerks when I do sleep, they wake me up but nothing any worse as a symptom... I just can't stop thinking, it isn't necessarily bad things I think about either. I get 30mg Tamazepam but it's supposed to be addictive, it doesn't make me sleepy it just stops be getting woken up so easy. For example, I had 4 1/2 hours last night undisturbed but that was my lot!

    My Docs surgery is a problem, I see a different Doc each time I go... I've never had the same Doc twice, that is the same with the other Doctors surgery in Windsor, I have tried walking, gym, fishing... I have tried to mentally knacker myself out too with puzzles, games and wake myself up further.

    I haven't been away from here just yet but money has been an issue as has the funeral and bits, to be honest i am over the death - i just want to sleep now.
    Sounds to me like you have a huge amount going on in your life causing massive amounts of stress! I've been there and suffered from that. The only thing that helped me was speaking to a therapist. Working through the issues and coming to peace with each of them. Pills did diddley squat.

    Have you thought about speaking to a therapist?

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    Yeah, Zopiclone makes you feel that way generally. I took it for a while and recall the feeling of spinning / laughter before eventually falling to sleep. I'm fairly sure I was on either 25 or 30mg. How long did you stick with it? It took me a week or two to get my head around the odd feeling, but length of sleep built up and normalized after that. Once you get to that stage you can look to decrease dosage if you're happy to.

    Another alternative to discuss with the doctor may be Nortriptyline. It is prescribed for a multitude of reasons, but its links with insomnia, depression and anxiety might work well for you. It's very mild but quite effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Sounds to me like you have a huge amount going on in your life causing massive amounts of stress! I've been there and suffered from that. The only thing that helped me was speaking to a therapist. Working through the issues and coming to peace with each of them. Pills did diddley squat.

    Have you thought about speaking to a therapist?
    I've spoke to our own schools medical care/OTs, MacMillan throughout & Cruse... the other option is going back to the hospital, literally 20 yards from where she died for support and I don't really fancy that too much!


    Yeah, Zopiclone makes you feel that way generally. I took it for a while and recall the feeling of spinning / laughter before eventually falling to sleep. I'm fairly sure I was on either 25 or 30mg. How long did you stick with it? It took me a week or two to get my head around the odd feeling, but length of sleep built up and normalized after that. Once you get to that stage you can look to decrease dosage if you're happy to.
    2 Weeks and they took me off, they said it isn't a long term solution for me... so they put me on the 'stronger' stuff.


    The PCT do bugger all, I know this from when I fought for my Mums Lapatinib... they just aren't interested, protocol & funding is all I heard for months

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    Sorry but you are NOT 'over the death'. It takes at least 5 years to come to terms with the death of a loved one and so please don't think that you should be fine by now. It sounds to me as if you are SEVERELY depressed - you show all the symptoms.
    You need to ask to be referred to a psychiatrist or psychologist to get it sorted out. I do understand the doctor issue but I am horrified that they think that prescribing sleeping pills is the answer. Try and see the best of the doctors and sit there until they agree to refer you on - take someone with you for support if possible.
    The more you worry about sleep, the less it will come. I have a problem sleeping and mostly I try to ignore it and get up and do something useful. This does seem to help. A relaxing hobby like Tai Chi or Yoga or even meditation could help.
    Just talking about things will help too - we are always here

    * Bossman recommended me a book - 'Stop thinking, Start living' by Richard Carlson and it really helped get me out of the 'hamster on a wheel' type thought processes
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    @Witch - As much as I respect what I think you are trying to get accross in the above message, I'm not too sure the bluntness on referals will help. I also completely disagree with the line about pills.
    I don't pretend to know anything about your background, and apologise in advance if this is something that you have been through personally and found to work for you - but everyone else is different and what works for one does not always work for another.
    If someone is suffering with depression, anxiety, sleeplessness or any other separate issues, they need to find suitable ways to cure each one. In cases where there are multiple issues pills will often form part of the overall solution.

    I hope I explained the above well enough to let you know I'm not having a go at you. I just know that someone imparting horror at prescription pills and advising consultation with psychologist/iatrist would have probably knocked me back down (and I have been there in a very similar situation), and possibly may with the OP.

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    I have to agree with Witch here - the problem sounds remarkably like depression to me - I've been surrounded by people who suffer with it all my life, and the symptoms jump out at me.

    The answer is a mix of medication and therapy, not just more sleeping pills or similar.

    To the op, have you thought about trying to get a referral to a different hospital?

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    *Edit/addition to my previous message:*
    @witch I should really have added that I'm not at all disputing the depression suspicion by the way - I am in complete agreement!
    Everything I have written above actually releates to the treament/resolution of both depression and insomnia, including the reference of having been there myself.

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    Thanks for your replies.

    I was told my depression was not because of chemical imbalance, it's because of the death. Yea, fair enough when I mean over the death - I mean I can get to work, the outburts are stopping, get a bit tearful but I can get on with life. Before I was totally ballsed, couldn't even go to the shops.

    The counselling I've had hasn't worked, CRUSE is ongoing, MacMillan is finished and school OT/counselling is always there. Bringing it back is getting me back off track, that upsets me a bit because I feel like i'm getting on OK until these sessions.

    The social aspect is bad, I could lose my rag pretty quick and this is what the Doc said was depression, but totally normal.

    I know pills arent an answer, i just want to sleep though - over the weekend where I can't get a doctor and with a bank holiday i feel alone because i just cant sleep! Everything else aside, I would love to sleep until my problems are resolved.

    I can fully understand what you're saying witch, localzuk but I need something to sort me in the moment, until it's all out and resolved.

    thanks for the responses, this has been better than several medical forums and nhs direct...

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