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General Chat Thread, General thoughts on Internet adverts - block or not? in General; Does the govt, a any level, wether centrally or local, have teh right to spend taxpayers money on deliberately preventing ...
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    Does the govt, a any level, wether centrally or local, have teh right to spend taxpayers money on deliberately preventing someone legally earning an income?
    Turn it around - should the gov be spending public money on having adverts delivered to kids in schools? We don't accept them (explicitly at least) on the BBC etc. We mostly all fret about the kids being turned into vacuous consumers before they've hit KS2. That it's someone's funding model for something harmless should have absolutely no impact on the answer to that question.

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    I'm cool with ads as long as there tastefull

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    Quote Originally Posted by PiqueABoo View Post
    Turn it around - should the gov be spending public money on having adverts delivered to kids in schools? We don't accept them (explicitly at least) on the BBC etc. We mostly all fret about the kids being turned into vacuous consumers before they've hit KS2. That it's someone's funding model for something harmless should have absolutely no impact on the answer to that question.
    Most magazines and newspapers cannot survive without advertising. visit the BBC's websites outside of the UK, and guess what? Yup, advertising to help pay for it. Do schools cut out adverts from TES? Your monthly computer magazines?
    Anyway, back to the legal argument. Does the govt have the right touse taxpayers money to prevent a company legitimately earning money? And teh sites I have in mind are aimed at teachers etc, not for use in classrooms.

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    I personally don't mind ads at all, as long as they're done in a nice way, edugeek being a prime example of very good practise. Sites which have stupid popover, popunder, sound, stupid flash etc I either stop visiting or block the ads.
    For pupils during lessons I think it's a slightly different matter and advertising should be blocked. Quite simply, there would be outrage if teachers starting putting advertising banners on their powerpoint slides. Hmm, then again that might be a good revenue stream for schools

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    As the once great Bill Hicks said - [ and I quote ]

    "By the way, if anyone here is in advertising or marketing, kill yourself. No, this is not a joke: kill yourself . . ."

    Block them all, Ad Block and a good hosts file - http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.txt installed on all my PCs.
    My personal point of view which some won't like but I see things both way - I help out with other various elements in my life - school gov, fix PCs for free, set up network for local hospital radio station, do various elements at the school where I am now - looking after the Bees and other animals etc - hell maybe I am actually part of Eton Boys 'Big Society' after all !!
    Last edited by mattx; 21st July 2010 at 11:10 PM.

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    "spending taxpayers money on blocking ads" is a deliberately misleading argument, worthy of the Daily Mail. You and I both know it's two checkboxes and hitting "apply" to turn on a feature that's already built (and thus already paid for) into most mainstream proxies.

    If we're making daft arguments, surely the LEA you mention is saving taxpayers money by maximising the bandwidth available for government business by blocking flash ads and thus delaying the need for upgrading to a fatter pipe?

    I get that Edugeek needs ad revenue and blocking adverts impacts that, but I also know that there's a lot of syndicated adservers full of broken ads that cause browser issues.

    We block for kids, not teachers. However, there's nothing stopping a teacher blocking ads themselves should they wish to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dos_Box View Post
    Do schools cut out adverts from TES? Your monthly computer magazines?
    Microsoft do not display adverts for Live@edu users. They can afford to do this though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur View Post
    Microsoft do not display adverts for Live@edu users. They can afford to do this though.
    That's because it's not their sole revenue stream and they also use advertising on the regular Live services.

    If we're making daft arguments, surely the LEA you mention is saving taxpayers money by maximising the bandwidth available for government business by blocking flash ads and thus delaying the need for upgrading to a fatter pipe?
    But does it not take CPU power to block the ads? Also, if bandwidth savings are your aim, serving up a lovely image in place of the advert kind of negates the argument.

    Anyway, I digress... My OP was simply a discussion starter to see what the general view of people was regarding Internet adverts.

    Perhaps another direction to take the discussion is... how would you feel if sites did prevent you accessing them because their ads were blocked? Would you be prepared to pay a subscription instead?

    Remember too that I'm generally talking about those websites that are used within schools, e.g. Teachers TV, TeacherTube, Teach-ICT (which in fact has adverts whether you subscribe to their premium service or not!), ICTeachers, TES, etc.

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    I block ads (not here of course) and Flash due to the invasive nature. Pop ups, pop unders, scrolling things, flashing fonts and boxes... If they were better targeted, and less intrusive, I'd not have such a problem with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ric_ View Post
    But does it not take CPU power to block the ads? Also, if bandwidth savings are your aim, serving up a lovely image in place of the advert kind of negates the argument.
    the CPU power of one machine(server/filter) against the CPU power of many machines? flash adverts regularly get my CPU running at 100% and i know im not the only one, blocking them with a server is still saving money.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ric_ View Post
    Perhaps another direction to take the discussion is... how would you feel if sites did prevent you accessing them because their ads were blocked? Would you be prepared to pay a subscription instead?

    Remember too that I'm generally talking about those websites that are used within schools, e.g. Teachers TV, TeacherTube, Teach-ICT (which in fact has adverts whether you subscribe to their premium service or not!), ICTeachers, TES, etc.
    I think a school would pay for a subscription for sites like TeacherTube. A school would pay xx amount to access it, however it should not be up to the individual to pay (remembering we are talking about websites used IN schools). I also think it depends on the website for example i doubt that a subscription model would work for Edugeek, there are too many other forums out there for free that you can use instead(i love the geek but i wouldn't pay for it when there are alternatives for free, i may however donate if that feature was available)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ric_ View Post
    But does it not take CPU power to block the ads?
    Our limiting factor is the pipe, not cpu cycles.

    Also, if bandwidth savings are your aim, serving up a lovely image in place of the advert kind of negates the argument.
    You mean the single pixel gif that sits in ram on the proxy server? Lives on the hard disk of the proxy server and gets downloaded over the LAN? No, that doesn't take up any bandwidth.

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    It's a shame that adverts and their providers have such a bad reputation.

    One way I can think of that would get round the blocking would be to have EduGeek (and the like) serve the ads rather than the usual ad providers.

    I really would like to see an EduGeek page or maybe e-mail (opt-in) with advert links that could then be used to help the revenue flow.
    I could show my support that way - if of course the sites that were linked to weren't blocked - blast it, I've just shot down my own idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete View Post
    You mean the single pixel gif that sits in ram on the proxy server? Lives on the hard disk of the proxy server and gets downloaded over the LAN? No, that doesn't take up any bandwidth.
    I mean the nice fancy looking JPEG and accompanying dynamically generated web page that is served up from the upstream proxy farm every time a page is blocked (pulled over the same pipe that the ad would have been).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ric_ View Post
    I mean the nice fancy looking JPEG and accompanying dynamically generated web page that is served up from the upstream proxy farm every time a page is blocked (pulled over the same pipe that the ad would have been).
    You're assuming we use an upstream proxy. We don't. It pulls the gif over our LAN. And it doesn't block the page, it merely whites out the ads.
    Last edited by pete; 22nd July 2010 at 11:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete View Post
    We run our own proxy inhouse, independent of any upstream proxy. It pulls the gif over our LAN. And it doesn't block the page, it merely whites out the ads.
    I would guess that you are in the minority then.

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