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    Converting shops into schools....

    Seen on the BBC....


    BBC News - Shops into schools in five months

    Given the number of poor/mediocre school buildings (according to CABE) that have been built since BSF started, how confident can we be that a converted shop would be a better place for children to learn?

    What about parking space, bus bays, outdoor playground space, sports fields.... or are these ideas purely aimed at small inner city schools where these things seemingly don't matter?

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    As well as cutting down on building costs, there could be other ways of opening buildings more quickly, suggests a spokeswoman, such as giving pupils a grant to buy their own laptops, rather than running centralised computer services.

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    "Can John Smith please come to the Main Office by aisle 3 please..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by alan-d View Post
    As well as cutting down on building costs, there could be other ways of opening buildings more quickly, suggests a spokeswoman, such as giving pupils a grant to buy their own laptops, rather than running centralised computer services.


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    I'd love to know how this scheme is actually going to work...

    So I can apply to start up a free school, get the government to buy some old shop/commercial space (There's a business park not far from me, with an office block that's mostly been empty for years), spend millions converting it, hire a bunch of mates, and start teaching children?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rydra View Post
    I'd love to know how this scheme is actually going to work...

    So I can apply to start up a free school, get the government to buy some old shop/commercial space (There's a business park not far from me, with an office block that's mostly been empty for years), spend millions converting it, hire a bunch of mates, and start teaching children?
    When you take a high-altitude view of things as a politician, that's exactly what you do

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    Quote Originally Posted by alan-d View Post
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    Typical of someone who is talking about something that they don't actually do as their core business. Can you imagine it? 300 kids all with their own laptops, all with different OS's, all with different anti-virus software, none of them able to use software owned by the school as site licenses don't cover 'personally owned' equipment. It'd be a right laugh!

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    I still don't know why the Tesco's building model is not used they have a stand store design that is modified. I love to see Tesco's modify there prefabricated store design into a school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicholab View Post
    I still don't know why the Tesco's building model is not used they have a stand store design that is modified. I love to see Tesco's modify there prefabricated store design into a school.
    I had this discussion with some staff here and they said that they'd be happy with a school costing 4 times as much if it looked unique and nice, rather than cookie cutter style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    I had this discussion with some staff here and they said that they'd be happy with a school costing 4 times as much if it looked unique and nice, rather than cookie cutter style.
    And they say we don't take education for granted.

    I'll teach, if it's in a nice place. Unfortunately NOT unbelievable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creese View Post
    And they say we don't take education for granted.

    I'll teach, if it's in a nice place. Unfortunately NOT unbelievable.
    I know, I said 'what if the school would cost £20m rather than £80m and that extra money could go to staffing and equipment?' and they still said they'd prefer the unique building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    I know, I said 'what if the school would cost £20m rather than £80m and that extra money could go to staffing and equipment?' and they still said they'd prefer the unique building.
    I find that attitude disgusting. I know someone (not in the UK) who started a school in her garage. Her school has grown to 6 concrete block buildings. It does have a nice view of the local mountains but in heavy hailstorms you can't hear due to to ice the size of marrow fat peas hitting the tin roof. But people come from thousands of miles away to teach there. That is what the job is about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    I know, I said 'what if the school would cost £20m rather than £80m and that extra money could go to staffing and equipment?' and they still said they'd prefer the unique building.
    Funnily enough, when I had discussions with architects & representatives from PfS when I was a governor some years ago, I was told part of the Govt brief was that BSF schools had to have 'presence' and 'make an impact' and have 'wow factor'...... & when I suggested something along the lines of a TESCO 'shed' with the ability of reconfiguring space flexibly inside the architect got very snooty & said nobody ever got a design award for designing a shed....

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    No one has ever been taught better because the building looks nice.

    EDIT: And that Architect's comments prove it.

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