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    I also sent a lovely suggestion...

    If you wish to save money in vital area's, how about scrapping all of the expenses that MPs can claim, with the exception of travel expenses which they use to get to Westminster ONLY. That way you would save around £30'000 per MP (averaged as i know some claim less, and some claim more, but overall all figures added up and divided by amount of MPs) which over 625 MPs works out to be £18.75 million alone. If MP's claim that this would put them on the bread line, how about they sell their 2nd and 3rd houses to recoup the losses?

    Also if you look at local governments, in my area particularly, the people at the top are consultants on £500'000 PLUS bonuses of circa £20'000, in situations we do like this, trim the fat, as in get people who would be there on a more permanent basis, for less pay (which I know for a fact that MANY people have the skills for, and the willingness to work for!). If you advertised positions for £500'000, how about reducing it to maybe £100'000 which is in line with other civil servant and military top jobs (EG Chief of Police, Chief of Fire departments for counties, General Grade officers in the military). Then you would have a much better scheme of pay unilaterally.
    Had to stop there as I ran out of space...and carried on in another one..

    Also another area where revenue could be generated, is getting the bankers to pay a high rate of tax on bonuses. For example, the bankers who are on upto £249'999 pay 25% tax on all bonuses, those on £250'000 - £749'999 pay 30% tax on ALL bonuses, those on £750'000+ pay 40% on all bonuses. That alone would take in hundreds of millions for the government coffers. Also how about re-opening nationalised services such as a train service, gas and electric services which could undercut the current market leaders (whom are charging a ridiculous rate for gas and electric). Also how about pulling our soldiers out of these pointless wars? Iraq and Afghanistan pose no military threat to the UK, and never have done, so pulling them out would be the logical choice. If you did so soon, you would save a FORTUNE in overseas pay alone, along with ammunition that is saved (which also costs alot of money).


    That is all I have for now, I am sure more will come soon.

    Regards...
    Wonder if they pay attention to it though to be fair!

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    Govt funded services undercutting commercial companies is anti-competitive and will not happen. Both UK and European courts would rip it to shred. Re-nationalising services is a different manner ... but the fact that Network Rail paid bonuses out means that we would struggle to get a grip of how national services operate.

    Until we get back to ideals of 'serving your country' and 'duty to others' it will be hard ...

    Iraq ... don't like that we were over there ... or rather I don't like the flimsy grounds ... but I disagree about what goes on over there doesn't affect us. Anyway ... Cameron has said he will do before the next election. We are in there now and if we pull out now, with no plan for something to fill the gap then it condemns so many ...

    I know people say that charity begins at home and that we should look after our own needs first, but we also have duty to others ... including trying to put right problems we have helped make.

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    Fair points tony, I didnt see that side of the coin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    Fair points tony, I didnt see that side of the coin!
    It is good to raise them as points though, if nothing else to force the Govt to justify what they are doing, or not doing. Too often things are done to people without explanation.

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    I suggested a couple:

    1) Bulk purchasing of desktops/laptops through the LEA forced upon us twice a year. If we are honest, all of our basic spec for Desktops and Laptops are about them same. Once budgets were in, the LEA could see how many PC's were to be bought and approach some suppliers (Local ones included if not preferential)

    2)Bulk Purchasing of the Microsoft Taxthrough the LEA. I've spoken to Microsoft about this, and they are happy to hold a mater agreement over an LEA. Even if it's only 50p per machine we save that's a lot of money!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Ben View Post
    I suggested a couple:

    1) Bulk purchasing of desktops/laptops through the LEA forced upon us twice a year. If we are honest, all of our basic spec for Desktops and Laptops are about them same. Once budgets were in, the LEA could see how many PC's were to be bought and approach some suppliers (Local ones included if not preferential)

    2)Bulk Purchasing of the Microsoft Taxthrough the LEA. I've spoken to Microsoft about this, and they are happy to hold a mater agreement over an LEA. Even if it's only 50p per machine we save that's a lot of money!
    Some LAs do this already, but many individuals find that they don't get better value from them. It sounds good on paper but it isn't that good at times.

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    Some LAs will arrange bulk purchases, but there are costs for doing so, for the procurement and legal aspect, for the administration and finance side ... there are also things like OPEN to get prices too. Even if you don't purchase through these models at least you have a price you can then haggle from ... but remember that when you do cost comparisons then you also have to include your time in the TCO.

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    I don't want to get drawn into a lengthy debate on foreign wars - as I don't think any of us are suitably knowledgeable on the specifics for that - but one thing which we should consider with the Afghanistan war is that if it wasn't happening there, it just might be happening on city streets here, so maybe the Armed Forces are doing something which affects, i.e. benefits, us.

    Can I ask why we're just picking on bankers with £750k+ salaries and bonuses? That just smacks of a want for some vengeance because we've lost savings. Also, let's not be so naive as to think that any increase in the amount that banks pay, either corporately or that their staff pay in added taxation, won't come out of the amount they charge their customers in fees. Make the banks pay more, and your credit cards' interest rates will go up.

    Not sure nationalising services is necessarily the way to go, but it is certainly worth having someone look at the question. The advantage of a private company doing these things is that they have share-holders to answer to; this does mean they're required to make money, but also means there's more emphasis on delivering results.

    Personally, I'd rather see the money we're frittering away on general mis-handled spending dealt with before we look at the more radical options; "looking after the pennies", I guess. Rather than looking for a £1bn project to axe, how about getting every Department to cut wastage by 1%? That would be much easier, would deliver massive results and would also buy some time to investigate properly the way to kill the £1bn project.

    Also, the beauty of cutting wastage is that it wouldn't actually affect the end result. Think of all our teachers who just love doing full page prints on 50p/page inkjet printers. Now, we could (and in the long-term should) try and stop them doing this, but in the meantime, we could point them at a 5p/page laser printer. That I think will yield better results - and bigger savings - in the long-run.

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    The problem with privatisation, is it has to make a profit. You can see this in all the schools tupee'ing support staff over to private companies. In the end, either people are going to lose their jobs, or it's going to cost us more money (since we're still paying for those who join the other companies, just that now that company has profits to think of).

    Originally, services used to make profit so it could do better or more services. This fell apart when the idea of bonuses and expenses came in, and when some idiot gave the senior management control over them.

    If it's one thing i've learnt over the years of private, public, contracting, projects, and even outside of RL jobs and working.... Our bursar's/finance officers would never decide to pay our heads a few thousand as a bonus 'because they've been so good this year'. Why should we let those who run our other services, that we rely on do the same thing?

    I don't think I made £50 in interest on my savings account in the last year. So why should the CEO of my bank be given half a million 'bonus' this year? where has that money come from?

    I would bet if you traced our national debt, and that of most of the other countries, you'd find it in the pockets of a small handful of stupidly obscenely rich men, who are deciding wheither to platinum plate their custom built Mercedes, diamond encrust their 80 bedroom house, or gold plate their private jumbo jet with built in jacuzzi.

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    IF you look at my post, it wasnt just a blanket on bankers who earn 750K or more, it affected all bankers on 250K+.

    As for bankers putting up interest rates on credit cards, well people shouldnt use them if they cant afford the repayments, its that simple. I learnt the hard way and I am still paying off for my ex's card happy spending. I have a whole heap of suggestions, which if I put forward as a full document, would probably end up around 10 pages, simply for the fact that everywhere could cut spending and waste, and certain taxes could be increased without major uproar.

    If you want, I can draft up the document for yours (and others) perusal.

    *edit* I am writing up a cut down version just to show what I would do and how much it would draw in.
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    quick mock up of what I would do.



    This is a draft of what I would do to cut the deficit the country is in.

    Please note that all of my calculations are done based on current published figures available to the public via the HMRC website, DFES website and other such sources, and it is done over a 1 year projection, with a 5 year projection at the end.

    Taxes

    It is obvious some taxes would need to be increased to make up some of the shortfall in this country. VAT is one of them, however I would have put it in line with other European countries at the 21% mark – which is average across the EU, and this would draw in £3.1 Billion after 1 year.

    National Insurance I would increase to 12% (from 11%), and increase employer contributions from 12.8% to 13%, this would draw in a further £800m over 1 year.

    Capital Gains tax stands currently at 18% for individuals, I would increase this by 0.2%. For companies it stands at 25%, I would increase this by 0.1%. They might seem small and insignificant, however it would draw in approximately £2.1 Billion in 1 year.

    Tobacco Duty currently sits at 16p per cigarette. I would increase this by 1p per cigarette, which would draw in around £1 Billion over 1 year.

    Beer and Cider Duty currently sits at 12p per unit of Alcohol. I would increase this by 2p per unit, which would draw in approximately £1.8 Billion over 1 year.

    Wine Duty currently sits at 8p per unit of Alcohol. I would increase this by 4p per unit, which would draw in approximately £2.1 Billion over 1 year.

    Spirits Duty currently sits at 9p per unit of Alcohol. I would increase this by 3p per unit, which would draw in approximately £1.9 Billion over 1 year.

    Cuts

    I would withdraw our soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan, which would save the government approximately £68 per soldier per day (averaged out over all of the serving soldiers, and ranks, rates of pay etc). There are currently 18’000 soldiers deployed on the front lines globally, so this would save £12M a day, or £4.46 Billion per year.

    I would reduce the NHS Budget by 5% across the UK, however, I would reintroduce prescription fees for Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales, to make up for it, so it cancels itself out.

    I would introduce a 10% education purchasing budget cut, and cap wages for teaching staff to £35’000 for teaching staff, £40’000 for HODs, £45’000 for Deputy/Assistant Heads, and £50’000 for Heads. This would reduce staff pay for some, but increase it for others, and would save the government approximately £1.3Billion over 1 years based on current average wages.

    Benefits

    All benefits would be available to UK citizens only, and all benefits would be stopped apart from the following.

    • Child Benefit - (which would be capped to a maximum of 3 children per parent)
    • Unemployment benefit - (which would be capped to a maximum of 1 year and you have to prove you are looking for work)
    • Disability benefit - (with which you must get a full medical check and full medical documentation every year to keep claiming)
    • Housing Benefit (which would be capped to £250 per month for 1 bedroom accommodations’, £300 for 2 bedrooms, £350 for 3 bedrooms and upwards).
    • Child / Working Tax credits – to stay as they are.

    With all other benefits cut completely, the above restrictions alone would save the government approximately £8.9 Billion over 1 year.


    Total savings over 5 years by my calculations are approximately £27.4 Billion over 1 year, or £137 Billion over 5 years.

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    Bonuses have been around for a heck of a long time, but one of the things which has happened over the years is that supposedly salaries did not go up as much as some companies or sectors could do it, and instead the difference was made up in 'bonuses' ... frequently with a variety of targets included in there ... some pretty easy to achieve, others not so.

    For many people in this culture the bonus is effectively seen as their salary ... and is not really a bonus anymore, but performance related pay. In many companies the bonus is no longer for going above and beyond ("hey ... you did a fantastic job and increased our income by 20% so have a bonus") but now people get it for not messing up.

    Also, the salaries we hear about in the news for bankers (investment bankers to be honest) is usually for a minority, not the majority. Attacking everyone in the banking sector is not fair really, the same way that attacking all teachers because you are not happy about the standards of CVs you get (yes ... looking at you, BT!)

    I don't have a problem with a consultant being paid £x if there aren't the skills available or if a council has no staff available (eg new Govt target comes along, the team that deals with that target is already up to their necks ... they need someone for 3 months to do some work so why pay to recruit someone long term when you can hire someone for the equivalent of 6 months' salary but then get rid of them?)

    This is the problem with Project Managers ... there are not enough around usually and rather than each team have one then councils will have a floating group of them. You save on consultant costs, but you lose on that they are not linked into specialisms (eg a PM who understands technology and networks is often very different to one who understands health and social care) and there are times when specialism is really needed.

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    With you on most points there, Nephilim.

    I don't agree with the prescription charges, as I would like to see these scrapped altogether and instead paid from NI - my other half spends a lot of money on asthma inhalers which, whilst they might seem trivial, can literally be the difference between life and death; not quite sure why we pay for life-saving medication she takes at home, but hospital-based treatments come out of central taxation.

    Also, I don't think your pay scales, especially for some Headteachers, are viable. In some very "challenging" schools, I'm sure the Headteacher, and numerous other staff, earn well over your thresholds, but I for one wouldn't do their job for the figures you propose, especially when they could go off to a nice gentle fluffy school and earn the same amount.

    Not having seen your workings, but are your military savings correct? Remember that soldiers get paid a salary all year round, so all you'd save is their in combat supplement, whatever that's called.

    One thing I would add to the list is to re-assess the number of civil service contractors. Fully accepting Tony's point about hiring someone for 3 months, but what about the people who are forced to retire at 60 and then come back the next week as consultants, and remain there for another 5 or 10 years, moving departments periodically to avoid the laws preventing repeated renewing of fixed-term contracts?

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    the combat supplement works out more expensively, I was only basing my figures on front line deployment bonus only (regardless of job, EG medic, IT support, vehicle driver etc), if you are adding combat supplement, you can add a further £4000 per soldier that is on the front lines.

    As for pay scales, if you look at one of my first posts in this thread, you'll see why I say what I say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enjay View Post
    my other half spends a lot of money on asthma inhalers which, whilst they might seem trivial, can literally be the difference between life and death; not quite sure why we pay for life-saving medication she takes at home, but hospital-based treatments come out of central taxation..
    Does the prepay card cover these? I got one last year as up until a couple of months ago I was taking up to 12 tablets and about 6 or 7 different drugs.

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