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    I took it to mean that the pay freeze was to stop people progressing through spinal points, is it not?


    no its the inflation increases

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    So who does the 21,000 public pay sector freeze affect?

    Civil Servants (Well yes)
    Local Authority Staff (Yes)
    School Staff (??)
    Teachers (??)
    Nurses (??)
    Doctors (??)
    HE / FE (??)
    Public Owned Banks (??)
    BBC (??)

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    Quote Originally Posted by j17sparky View Post
    Please do Like i say, i honestly am yet to hear a single reasoned debate on the subject.
    I'd admit to my views being blinkered by my personal experiences and the opinions I've formed by them. How about you? Are you really up for a honest debate on the subject - or are you blinkered by an anti-Labour view?

    Whoe said - 'we get the governments we deserve'? - they were right! After voting Labour in for a fourth term despite the by then obvious cracks in thier finances, and then the shambles of the last general election I think we've pretty much got what we deserve.

    I'm still of the opinion that the last election was a missed opportunity. I real progrssive vote for Lib Dems may have got us something more palitable now. Instead we have the LD's propping up a traditional tory party under the promise of a referenderum on AV.

    And when that goes sower? Well be back at the polls voting in yet another failed tory or labour governement and the crud of the last 30 years is just going to keep on, business as usual.

    Torys come in and f' the poor. Labour come in to borrow and spend. Then back to the Torys and more f'in the poor. And back to Labour to borrow and spend. And around it will keep going.

    Surely one day we're going to want to look at a different point of view?

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    While everyone has been discussing VAT, wage freezes etc.....

    Did anybody spot "He said his Budget implied further 17bn cuts in departmental spending by 2014/15, unprotected departments face an average real cut of around 25% over four years. "

    So there is more bad news to come, when they decide where this axe falls.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHR1S View Post
    Yes, I am under 30... I look forward to your thread, as you seem to be the only one so far willing to try to explain why lol
    http://www.edugeek.net/forums/behind...tml#post530522

    Those are my thoughts, and mine alone.

    Though I believe that anyone old enough will recognise a great deal of truth in there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by somabc View Post
    So who does the 21,000 public pay sector freeze affect?

    Civil Servants (Well yes)
    Local Authority Staff (Yes)
    School Staff (??)
    Teachers (??)
    Nurses (??)
    Doctors (??)
    HE / FE (??)
    Public Owned Banks (??)
    BBC (??)
    That's the main problem isn't it. Public sector* pay freeze

    *Note : does not apply equally to all public sector workers! (edit: I suspect)
    Last edited by flyinghaggis; 22nd June 2010 at 02:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somabc View Post
    So who does the 21,000 public pay sector freeze affect?

    **SNIP**

    BBC (??)
    Queue an increase in the TV licence...

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    The BBC and govt owned banks are not classed as public sector I don't think. They're just govt owned enterprises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmcd35 View Post
    I'd admit to my views being blinkered by my personal experiences and the opinions I've formed by them. How about you? Are you really up for a honest debate on the subject - or are you blinkered by an anti-Labour view?
    Ive tried to have debates before but they usually end up in a extreamly educated response of "you arnt old enough to know what went on [with the tories]..." but with no facts on the subject. The constituancy i live in has never really been Labour, but all around me have been. My parents are labour, my friends parents are labour... So i can assure you that my opinions are my own , born from, be it fairly limited, knowledge and experiance. I have never voted labour as even back when they were "cool" i could see right through their half assed plans and unsustainable markets.
    If you can enlighten me as to what the tories did wrong then that will be more knowledge and maybe by opinion will change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    The BBC and govt owned banks are not classed as public sector I don't think. They're just govt owned enterprises.
    Indeed. So how does it work with Academies? Free Schools?

    BBC awards pay rises despite government's calls for restraint

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    BBC quotes chancellor " Education spending could be cut by as much as 25% over the next four years, the Chancellor has said. "

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/10378384.stm

    Teachers and lecturers face 2 year pay freeze

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    Quote Originally Posted by broc View Post
    BBC quotes chancellor " Education spending could be cut by as much as 25% over the next four years, the Chancellor has said. "

    BBC News - Budget: Education spending faces 25% cut
    So...

    Public sector pay freeze over 21k - check
    VAT increase - check
    Inflation at about 2%? - check

    = real terms pay cuts - check

    Becta sacked - check
    25% off education spending over 4 years - check

    Might be time to start thinking about leaving education? Question is can is the endless targets and deadlines of private sector work going to be any better/worth it compared to the misery coming our way over the next few years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevbaz View Post
    Have a bit of faith, bit like supporting england!
    Ohhhh feck! We're doooomed!

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    25% budget cut? If that hits here, we're going to be in serious trouble. We're already having a round of redundancies so as to not go into deficit.

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    Looks like I'm gonna have to buy that 50" tv before the VAT increase now....

    And, oh look, I've just found a website for jobs in Poland. Bonus.

    http://www.polandjobs.com/

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