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    Re: Which 'front end'?

    Kids adapt easily - I don't really think it matters what they use at school - they could come across anything in the world of work - Novell, Linux, Windows, Proprietary interface or whatever.

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    Re: Which 'front end'?

    Ranger is now the property of RM and i would suppose thet they will be creating a hybrid of the two poss CC4 not sure how long ranger will be supported for though but i would with experience of both vanilla and CC3 go for CC3 especially if you are on your own.

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    Re: Which 'front end'?

    Quote Originally Posted by WITCH
    I mean the admin side AND what the students see
    This is a first school and the powers that be want it to look very 'kiddy' friendly.
    This kind of thing IE Powers that be saying we want kiddy friendly and the main XP looks busy, complex etc its just a load of tosh. Quite a few of these children will use a computer at home, now fine 3-6 years olds probably with help from mum / dad / bro / sis etc but what will they be used to seeing, yes a Start Menu with buttons all over it etc. and as they get older they will use it on there own and be fine. I have seen a number of schools now that have got a vanilla system that have customised the start menu so all it says is All Programs and Shut Down, thats it! Everything else is removed and gone so its possible, but I hate it. They also re-folder everything which I hate, so they have programs in folders saying Children and Teachers to keep them seperate but IMHO it makes it all such a mess, but can be done that way and I would find that very simple and easy and "cute" I suppose if thats what they wanted.

    So anyway to end my rant, what they are saying is a load of tosh! It is completly possible on a vanilla system to make it all cute, simple and touchey feeley.

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    Re: Which 'front end'?

    But don't forget that CC3 has more benefits apart from the perceived "nice interface".

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    Re: Which 'front end'?

    What are the particular benefits then apart from the wayCC3 looks?

    Re:vanilla -there is an issue with build times as well, as the technician(me) only works 10 hours a week and so would have little time to look into and set up the system, as well as maintaining the school as it is. I havent ever done anything like that before and am not all that familiar with how to do it, so it would probably take me a lot longer than one of you! ops:

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    Re: Which 'front end'?

    If you don't have resourced to set it up, how about contracting out the inital setup of vanilla? Or as someone else suggested, LNM?

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    Re: Which 'front end'?

    Benefits for us using CC3:

    • Remote access to home folders
    • Web-based management of users, machines, printers and GPOs
    • Print quotas
    • Web-based resources area
    • Very easy to lock down security (can't run EXEs, can't go to C drive etc)
    • Easy to (re)build workstations onto the network (+ imaging)

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    Re: Which 'front end'?

    Quote Originally Posted by webman
    Benefits for us using CC3:

    • Remote access to home folders
    • Web-based management of users, machines, printers and GPOs
    • Print quotas
    • Web-based resources area
    • Very easy to lock down security (can't run EXEs, can't go to C drive etc)
    • Easy to (re)build workstations onto the network (+ imaging)
    Benifits of Ranger

    • Remote access to home folders
    • Web-based management of users, machines, printers and GPOs
    • Print quotas
    • Web-based resources area
    • Very easy to lock down security (can't run EXEs, can't go to C drive etc)
    • Easy to (re)build workstations onto the network (+ imaging)


    Plus easy to control, easy to take off, monitor all users logged on

    Aslo with Ranger you have a Vanilla XP network so therefore you aren't dumbing down your Skillset and only can get job with RM

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    Re: Which 'front end'?

    Quote Originally Posted by webman
    Benefits for us using CC3:

    • Remote access to home folders
    • Web-based management of users, machines, printers and GPOs
    • Print quotas
    • Web-based resources area
    • Very easy to lock down security (can't run EXEs, can't go to C drive etc)
    • Easy to (re)build workstations onto the network (+ imaging)
    Benefits for using Vanilla and Net Support Manager / School
    (stolen your list design Craig )
    • Remote access to home folders
    • Web-based management of users, machines, printers and GPOs
    • Web-based resources area
    • Very easy to lock down security (can't run EXEs, can't go to C drive etc)
    • Easy to (re)build workstations onto the network (+ imaging)
    • Creation of Test for students to do, show and manage / control screens to help and give attenetion to them
    • Plus many many more things that I cannot remember


    I do admit that Print Quotas are not out of the box either but lets see what LongHorn server brings, if you don't ask and tell MS thats what you want it will never happen, and its more than just schools that want it as well, so it will come no doubt.

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    Re: Which 'front end'?

    Essentially a CC3 network is just vanilla with additional RM tools, just like Ranger and NSM. Neither does CC3 make you "dumb down" your skillset - you can dive into native 2K/2K3/XP whenever you like.

    I've seen a Ranger network and use one on a weekly basis and it doesn't work anywhere near as good as our CC3. Just an observation - perhaps not all Ranger networks are as bad.

    Oh, we can also allocate printers to workstations/locations (through the Management Console) without having to hack login scripts.

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    Re: Which 'front end'?

    Quote Originally Posted by webman
    Oh, we can also allocate printers to workstations/locations (through the Management Console) without having to hack login scripts.
    Yup can do that as well with vanilla (yes it only came with R2 but thats what you get now anyway)

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    Re: Which 'front end'?

    Great

    I'm just glad we don't suffer from issues like this, this, this or this or countless other "vanilla" issues that Edugeekers have posted over the past year, that CC3 takes care of by default or offers a simple way of doing it.

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    Re: Which 'front end'?

    Quote Originally Posted by webman
    Great

    I'm just glad we don't suffer from issues like this, this, this or this or countless other "vanilla" issues that Edugeekers have posted over the past year, that CC3 takes care of by default or offers a simple way of doing it.
    You never been on the RM Forums? Its full of problems

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    Re: Which 'front end'?

    No I haven't actually, it's very rare that we get problems

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    Re: Which 'front end'?

    Sometimes I wish I hadn't bothered to ask
    IF you can remember the original point of this topic, I did make it clear that, for WHATEVER REASON - I CAN'T have a vanilla, so all this bickering about which is best is a bit pointless and doesn't help me at all. The Ranger versus RM stuff was useful, until it descended into sniping. It is comments like Bossmans that are most useful.
    I certainly don't need comments like Grommits, who implies that all those who work with CC3 are somehow inferior

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