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General Chat Thread, More Academies Are On The Way in General; We had our ofsted a couple of weeks ago and was judged outstanding. Not heard anything about academies yet though....
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    We had our ofsted a couple of weeks ago and was judged outstanding. Not heard anything about academies yet though.

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    What happens to schools that have signed on the dotted line for BSF. Will they be able to get out of it and at what cost?

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    Uppign the amount of Academies from 400 (IIRC) to 4000 is a way of offloading a lot of costs to the schools 'sponsor'. Does anyone know if the agreement (what the sponsor must pay for) has been changed for these new sign ups? If so, my guess is tha this will effectively kill BSF and put the onus on the private companies 'buying' into these schools for their upkeep and maintenance.

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    As I understood it, under the previous administration, Academy sponsors contributed a one-off payment of 2m towards the cost of the academy; this could be cash up front, promise to pay, or payment 'in-kind'. The remainder of the Academy funding came from Govt directly. In many cases a new building was also provided, mostly financed under PFI.

    I don't see this changing significantly, I doubt there will be many sponsors willing to stump up the full cost of rebuilding, so I suspect the new Govt view will be that many academies will merely be a rebranding exercise in existing buildings with the money traditionally held back by LAs being passed directly to the academy along with any funding a sponsor chooses to provide. Any new buildings would have to be funded by similar means to any BSF schools, should that program continue.
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    If it going to effectivly kill BSF then how is that going to affect those LEA's/Schools that have signed along the dotted line but may be waiting 3+ years for a build to start. What happens to the staff who are on the Tupe list?

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    I recall being on a training day when still employed by Lancashire CC last year and we had a talk on Academies by the person who was in charge of teh contracts\negotiations for a couple of Lancashire schools. I was quite shocked by what I was told:

    1. The school and it's gorunds were handed over on a 100 year lease
    2. The Academies new 'sponsors' could choose the govenors and they could put anyone they like on there, not just parents
    3. The sponsor is not allowed to make money out fo the school but one large company who has many schools now under it's control had created a schools supply company and bound those schools into only buying from that one outlet (Kerchinnngggg!)

    I do hope that these were simply Lancashire CC being silly and most Academies are not like this, and I do hope that a couple of schools who want to go for academy status get in contact with us, as I'd like to see EduGeek having some ICT input in a good school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dos_Box View Post
    I recall being on a training day when still employed by Lancashire CC last year and we had a talk on Academies by the person who was in charge of teh contracts\negotiations for a couple of Lancashire schools. I was quite shocked by what I was told:

    1. The school and it's gorunds were handed over on a 100 year lease
    2. The Academies new 'sponsors' could choose the govenors and they could put anyone they like on there, not just parents
    3. The sponsor is not allowed to make money out fo the school but one large company who has many schools now under it's control had created a schools supply company and bound those schools into only buying from that one outlet (Kerchinnngggg!)
    I do hope that these were simply Lancashire CC being silly and most Academies are not like this, and I do hope that a couple of schools who want to go for academy status get in contact with us, as I'd like to see EduGeek having some ICT input in a good school.
    Dosn't that remind you of BSF and Choice Fund Catalogues (sp)

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    Quote Originally Posted by e_g_r View Post
    Dosn't that remind you of BSF and Choice Fund Catalogues (sp)
    The Choice Fund Cataloge? I've not heard of that, but let me guess. When it says 'choice' what it actually means is one choice and no looking around either?

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    They say that there buying power is greater then other suppliers so give you a choice of hardware/software for the school to purchase as part of the spend on BSF

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    Heard on Radio 4 this morning of one group of parents who want to set up their own "free" school in Wandsworth. They had identified a hospital building which had been closed down and estimated that the book price was somewhere between 8-10 million, and bringing it up to standard for educational purposes would be 20 million, so a total of up to 30 million in all. Wandsworth borough were in favour of this, so where would the money come from? They were already talking to private companies, but it wasn't made clear if the private companies would provide funding.

    BBC News - Schools are being invited to become academies

    And for Michael Gove's views on education, try the two links below
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article7052010.ece

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/apr/13/gove-education-plans

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    @Dos_Box

    I don't think you should be too hard on Lancashire CC in the case of academies under the previous administration; I have heard some similar stories elsewhere.

    If you combine the ConDem Govt plans to eliminate national pay agreements for teachers with the academy program where schools can set their own salary scales you might speculate where that could lead to.... & heaven help the support staff.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by beeswax View Post
    Heard on Radio 4 this morning of one group of parents who want to set up their own "free" school in Wandsworth. They had identified a hospital building which had been closed down and estimated that the book price was somewhere between 8-10 million, and bringing it up to standard for educational purposes would be 20 million, so a total of up to 30 million in all. Wandsworth borough were in favour of this, so where would the money come from? They were already talking to private companies, but it wasn't made clear if the private companies would provide funding.
    Not to mention hiring staff - which is not a cheap process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e_g_r View Post
    They say that there buying power is greater then other suppliers so give you a choice of hardware/software for the school to purchase as part of the spend on BSF
    True, and when your choice from the 'catalogue' is Cisco or Cisco because the service provider is a Cisco Partner what choice do you have? Not that I have anything against Cisco, apart from its price.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Not to mention hiring staff - which is not a cheap process.
    They'd like to open by September... I'd like to know where they think they'll get the teachers and support staff for a 5 form entry secondary by September!

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    Interesting story on the BBC about a school to become an academy in September.... no mention of a sponsor, or new buildings.... although the Head would like to change the current buildings

    BBC News - Spreading the academy message

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