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    Quote Originally Posted by laserblazer View Post
    I guess if you have good teachers who have reached the top of their scale and you want to keep them, then AHship is the answer.
    Or AST / Excellent Teacher status is the other route to keep good teachers. The problem with good teachers going into management / leadership (there is a difference) is that they spend less time in the classroom. If that is going to happen then at least make so that the time out the classroom is helping others to become good teachers themselves.

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    i remember when [and i'm sure plenty of people can also]...i was at school, and we had one head and a deputy head. and, er, that was it pretty much.....

    i think some bigger schools may have had more than one deputy. but stuff was just so much more straightforward then.

    and being at school i probably didn't see the lack of investment and poor pay that people complained of at the time......but i prefer that era. sometimes i do wish that we could have just skipped the noughties [and the way thinks are looking so far, wouldn't be bad to skip this decade aswell]

    what do you mean this thread isn't about a trip down memory lane...

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    We have 1x Head Teacher, 1x Deputy Head Teacher, 1 x Assistant Head Teacher, then obv. the heads of department and NM (me) within the SLG.

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    As far as I am aware we get max one of each per school in NZ (P, DP, AP).

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    Too many chiefs there Steve!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe90bass View Post
    Never heard of associate or executive headteachers - is that just an England thing!? In our place we have: Headteacher > Deputy Headteacher > 4 Assistant headteachers then your Heads of faculty, etc
    We have executive principals in Australia, In QLD at least it's based on the number of pupils enrolled at the school as per what the name titles are and the perks you get with your pay.

    When i Left high school as we had a Executive Principle and Four Deputy Principals for a thousand and something students over five grade levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torledo View Post
    i remember when [and i'm sure plenty of people can also]...i was at school, and we had one head and a deputy head. and, er, that was it pretty much.....

    i think some bigger schools may have had more than one deputy. but stuff was just so much more straightforward then.

    and being at school i probably didn't see the lack of investment and poor pay that people complained of at the time......but i prefer that era. sometimes i do wish that we could have just skipped the noughties [and the way thinks are looking so far, wouldn't be bad to skip this decade aswell]

    what do you mean this thread isn't about a trip down memory lane...
    Ah yes, the great era where teachers had 17 different responsibilities, school networks were ad-hoc built with whatever happened to be lying around, and the idea of a dedicated network manager was a laughable one... Such a good time

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    Quote Originally Posted by laserblazer View Post
    I guess if you have good teachers who have reached the top of their scale and you want to keep them, then AHship is the answer.
    Not really - or at least not in the schools in which I work or am governor (grammar??). AH, as has been said, carries a lot more 'middle management' responsibility than the teacher would have had and this will only work if they want said management. The other problem is that it takes arguably the best teachers away from teaching.
    It 'sounds' as if AH is the next step up but it really isnt unless the teacher wants to go into management and perhaps headship

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    Quote Originally Posted by witch View Post
    The other problem is that it takes arguably the best teachers away from teaching
    Yeah I have always found this odd. Seemingly the better you become at teaching the more admin you do and less teaching.

    My largest primary now has two Assistant Heads in addition to the Head and Deputy. I believe this was done as the workload for all the various things the Head and Deputy have to cover was too great so some areas were delegated. Seems to be working very well there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by witch View Post
    The other problem is that it takes arguably the best teachers away from teaching.
    Ah - but teachers just can't be managed by anyone except other teachers....whereas of course ICT specialists can be managed by anyone....grrr

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    Could be worse.... could have a place where the lead ICT "Person" isn't classified as Senior in any way, and is in fact, if your lucky slightly higher graded/ranked as a HLTA!

    I'm quite lucky here, I am at least listened to regularly, though as yet haven't been given as much reign as I'd like; such as ICT equipment to be bought coming through me, not bought by whoever and then emailing me to say it needs to be installed/setup!



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