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    3 days between Christmas and New Year - annual leave or not?

    At my school we are forced to take 3 days holiday between Christmas and New Year out of our annual leave. The school is always closed (this saves heating & lighting).

    Other schools in the area 'give' their staff these three days for free, on the basis that giving the very small number of people affected the time off is cheaper than opening the school & heating it.

    What happens in your school/LA?

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    Re: 3 days between Christmas and New Year - annual leave or not?

    I have the same 3 day A/L thing - but i've never got my head around whether thats for xmas day, boxing day & new years day (which are all public hols anyway!) as my partner believes it is - or if its for the 3 days in between (wed-fri)

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    Re: 3 days between Christmas and New Year - annual leave or not?

    The school is closed for the entire Christmas Holiday period and we have to take it out of our annual leave.

    Meh, suits me, I've not had any time off in > 5 months, it's time for a break

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    Re: 3 days between Christmas and New Year - annual leave or not?

    my wife, who is a solicitor, brought an interesting case to my attention the other week, the result of which was that employees cannot be forced to take these 3 days off as annual leave.

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    Re: 3 days between Christmas and New Year - annual leave or not?

    I am working until friday and then we are closed until we come back on Jan.... This only affect 3 of our staff, myself and 2 site team... and we are just given this time off for free

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    Re: 3 days between Christmas and New Year - annual leave or

    School is fully closed from Monday and I'm pretty sure we have to take this off. Not counting the public holidays though and I think we get some concession. Have to confess I can never get my head round it all so just keep a tally on my days I take off and pass everyting by the NM. He can then smack me one and say stop skiving so much

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    Re: 3 days between Christmas and New Year - annual leave or

    Our school is closed too. We can either take the days as anuual leave or work an extra 30 mins per day until the time is made up.

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    Re: 3 days between Christmas and New Year - annual leave or not?

    @Beeswax

    Most educational employers have a little clause in the contracts that state that working time may be directed by the Head or delegated persons ... this means that if the Head says you cannot work during specific times or on specific days you have to make up your contractual time in other ways ... the by-product of this is this it also means that holidays can be classed as directed time.

    The grey areas occur when this is not written into the contract and it is only inferred.

    We had recently been asked this and had to check it with County and a few unions ... and I won't get into the contracts of teachers and directed time ... that is a minefield.

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    Re: 3 days between Christmas and New Year - annual leave or not?

    broc, what would they do if you had already used up all of your holidays?

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    Re: 3 days between Christmas and New Year - annual leave or not?

    You'd have to sit in the car park with a wireless laptop and a flask of coffee for 3 days

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    Re: 3 days between Christmas and New Year - annual leave or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by webman
    broc, what would they do if you had already used up all of your holidays?
    I have always had this argument. I am not bothered about having the Christmas period off. But our school does close between christmas and the new year in this case being 3 days. I would rather take time off in the summer when it is warm and I can either get things done to the house, or go on holiday / days out with family. Why should I have to wait until the coldest point of the year, then be forced to take three or more days out of my leave when it is not mentioned in my contract?

    I argued this at my last school and in the end, the headteacher over-ruled the bursar and allowed me to have the time off for free.

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    Re: 3 days between Christmas and New Year - annual leave or not?

    Quote Originally Posted by webman
    broc, what would they do if you had already used up all of your holidays?
    Good question; I suspect we would lose 3 days pay

    It is tricky; making a fuss about unfair treatment to the union/LA in this case might mean the employees at the more 'enlightened' schools would lose their 'perk'.

    So, the very few of us who are full-time employees at my school with the least holiday have a quiet grumble amongst ourselves

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    Re: 3 days between Christmas and New Year - annual leave or not?

    I'm told that i get 20(?) daysholiday for the 3 PLUS 3 days that must be used over christmas buts very vague as to how to take those 3 days over christmas

    for that reason i have not booked anything and will sort it out in the new year

    Also, i am against using holiday entitlement for what is technically a Public Holiday

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    Re: 3 days between Christmas and New Year - annual leave or not?

    yes GD, it's probably in there somewhere, and with the site manager saying that the building will be closed for a certain number of days, there's little you can do apart from remote in, develop the school website/VLE, research various software problems, plan the change management involved in the implementation of the VLE, stuff the turkey, pull a cracker "ooer missus", so Im grateful for the time off.

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    Re: 3 days between Christmas and New Year - annual leave or

    Usually its annual leave as the site is closed, but this year they've decided to close the site from tonight until the 8th of Jan (teachers and kids back on the 10th).

    This means that I get until the 8th off, and the Holidays that I had booked in as normal back to use when I want.

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