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    The Tories...... I remember them......


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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Well, the '£12bn savings' by the Tories were exactly as expected - slash IT projects, freezing recruitment, and 'renegotiating contracts'.

    Now, if people don't realise that that means 'job losses' across the IT industry, public sector and support sectors, then they are blind. The IT industry in the UK has already had a very rough couple of years - with 10k workers being laid off a week last year at one point. Do the Tories plan to sit back and wipe out yet another industry?

    They talk of their being 400k people who leave and join the public sector in the UK each year, and say that by not hiring new people to replace them they can save money. Well, yes, not filling posts will save money but it will also damage services. Most of those people moving around jobs will fall within the 'lower paid' ranks of jobs. School TAs, administrative assistants, etc... What will these people do instead? Go on the dole?

    The Tory plan is poorly thought out and will, if they get in, be poorly executed.
    but labour will also follow a process of cutting back on IT projects, not refilling posts, 'natural wastage' of staff.....because it's easier to pitch such ideas than to actually talk about cuts in budgets.

    so what's your point ? Are you choosing to ignore that the other parties will tread a not disimilar path ?
    Or do you really believe that labour can fill the holes with tax rises alone ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Unlikely - that will be where 'renegotiating contracts' comes in. ie. getting more stuff outsourced, for less.
    i thought that's what labour had been doing since the early noughties. and would probably continue to do if reelected. ??

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    I'd vote for a drinking party if there was one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattx View Post
    Messed up the economy, repaired it ...
    So they've done one better than Labour then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by j17sparky View Post
    So they've done one better than Labour then?
    If you can call 6 million un-employed then yes !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by srochford View Post
    Through the late 90s and into the early part of the 2000s Labour paid back debt - it fell from about 42% of GDP to just less than 30%. In part, that's because GDP went up but it's also because Gordon Brown as chancellor did pay back money which had been borrowed earlier.
    Doesn't that roughly coincide with the time when the Labour Party committed itself to the former Conservative Government's spending plans? I think it was the first three years (1997-2000)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by j17sparky View Post
    So they've done one better than Labour then?
    the funny thing about his little poster, is that labour haven't actually reversed any of that privatisation.

    Infact i'm pretty sure there are one or two high profile examples during the last decade of public entities being spun off into private companies and then the former managers taking up lucrative positions......i can think of one firm which immediately springs to mind. And no doubt there are other examples.

    to a degree broc is right, that there is a battle in labour between old labour and new labour, with new labour elements probably embracing more so market capitalism. Or atleast ackowledging that we can't go back thirty years and we do have a powerful financial services sector in this country.....that does facilitate a helluva lot of trade and wealth creation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattx View Post
    If you can call 6 million un-employed then yes !!
    i thought unemployment peaked at roughly 3 million under the tories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torledo View Post
    i thought unemployment peaked at roughly 3 million under the tories.
    The problem is that Margaret Thatcher changed the way unemployment was counted a huge number of times (I think it was 23) to massage down the figures so it's hard to be exact - there were certainly more people not working who wanted to work than were counted in her figures.

    It's pretty much down to her that we have the huge number of people on incapacity benefit - they were given that rather than unemployment because they didn't mess up the stats. Now we're stuck with people who seem to believe that they really can't work and have pretty much lost the desire to do it.

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    We are doomed.... what ever happens....

    I think we should all go and buy loads of cheap cider & drown our sorrows this weekend

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    Are there any parties that pledge to tax BTLs?

    They'll get my vote.

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    Lib Dems for me. They can't do any worse than Labour, and there's no chance I'm voting Conservative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torledo View Post


    but labour will also follow a process of cutting back on IT projects, not refilling posts, 'natural wastage' of staff.....because it's easier to pitch such ideas than to actually talk about cuts in budgets.

    so what's your point ? Are you choosing to ignore that the other parties will tread a not disimilar path ?
    Or do you really believe that labour can fill the holes with tax rises alone ?
    Why do you always focus on Labour or Conservatives? I've already made it clear I will be voting for neither of them. Labour ruined the country in the last decade, the tories wish to continue it. The only ones who are saying anything sensible are Lib Dems.

    Quote Originally Posted by torledo View Post
    i thought that's what labour had been doing since the early noughties. and would probably continue to do if reelected. ??
    Indeed, that's why they shouldn't be re-elected.

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    Not voting for Labour is as good as voting Conservative.... in terms of deciding who will govern the country.

    A dilemma facing many people

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