General Chat Thread, Hillingdon Tories Block £150 million Investment For Local Schools in General; BSF has it critics [ because of the manner in which ICT is implemented ] - but to try and ...
20th March 2010, 02:50 PM #1
Hillingdon Tories Block £150 million Investment For Local Schools
BSF has it critics [ because of the manner in which ICT is implemented ] - but to try and scrap the whole deal ? I'm afraid this is Hillingdon Council through and through though. They scrapped the possible re-introduction of Trams a few years ago and now this - makes me sick to my stomach knowing they use the Education aspect for cheap votes. Shame on all the them.
20th March 2010, 04:21 PM #2
11 Thanks to bossman:
difinity (22nd March 2010), Gatt (22nd March 2010), Gibbo (22nd March 2010), nephilim (22nd March 2010), Robz (22nd March 2010), sparkeh (22nd March 2010), SteveT (22nd March 2010), tech_guy (20th March 2010), timzim (24th March 2010), wesleyw (22nd March 2010)
20th March 2010, 04:54 PM #3
Thanks to torledo from:
bossman (20th March 2010)
20th March 2010, 05:04 PM #4
Please understand I am not a negative person in fact I am all in favour of new schools but to be put out of employment by the very people who I vote and pay taxes too makes my blood boil.
20th March 2010, 05:33 PM #5
I agree with 99.9% of your post Bossman - money wasted [ and I know as well as you ] as I have been at the forefront of some of the BSF procedures. As you may know I'm a gov of my kids school which is being part of the process because it's in very close contact with two other secondary schools [ boys and girls ] - so I have witnessed first hand the money wasted on just getting it off the ground.
Also [ you may already know ] - I feel too much emphasis is put on ICT within schools, if I had my way I would remove 80% of it - as it's not needed. I would prefer more money being spent on outside activities, D&T, Science, better buildings, facilities being tied more to the community etc.
Some schools just need knocking down and re-building as it's costing more to keep them going - but too much time is spent pi55ing around with meeting after meeting, consultants, so called 'experts' & everything else.
Trailing a bit more in regards to your reply - [ you mention corruption etc ] - totally agree - to be an MP it seems these days is a fast track way to get into the corruption club. Gone are the days of the people who represented the people and NOT their pockets. There are a few good ones around [ The Hayes MP being one of them ] but not many I'm afraid.
Building Schools For The Future maybe - but certainly not in safe guarding jobs [ which is one of the aspects I have mentioned on more than one occasion at various BSF meetings. ] - it's very well having a nice shiny new school, but not having the necessary staff and support to run it is just a joke. Problem is the consultants and so called ' experts ' just don't listen.
And there is no REAL labour party anymore - you have Blair and his followers to blame for that - it's a skimmed down Tory party.
There was a proper choice once in this country, now there isn't. I just wish the Lib Dems would get their act together but you never know, a hung parliament may actually mean they hold the balance of power.
20th March 2010, 05:40 PM #6
I think a hung parliament wouldn't be a bad thing.
20th March 2010, 05:45 PM #7
20th March 2010, 06:00 PM #8
I certainly hope some of the decisions will be reversed [ after the elections ] - I would be impressed if the leader of the council cut some of the red tape that goes with the BSF - but I'm afraid the leader is a nasty piece of work too busy milking what HE can get instead what's good of the borough. [ You only have to see the whopping pay increased they have awarded themselves over the last 5 years to see that ] - Hillingdon council [ Clls ] make cuts across the board but award themselves pay rises - amazing.
Cheers Matt for even reading my rant and forgive me for my indulgence at your boroughs loss. It is about time people in this country just got together and just said "No more" as we are fed up of all the
God knows, but it wouldn't be fun if we agreed on everything.....
BTW what was the 0.9% that you didn't agree with hehe!! lol
I'll stop ranting now [ now you have started me off !! ]
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20th March 2010, 06:54 PM #9
22nd March 2010, 09:34 AM #10
Where is this written in the Tory Manifesto? I thought they wanted to accelerate the Academies program, where nobody's jobs are safe?
Originally Posted by Gibbo
Last edited by broc; 22nd March 2010 at 09:37 AM.
22nd March 2010, 09:39 AM #11
Second to last page, Item 42, termed "Get rid of consultants" and "Barmy Labour policies" hehe!!
22nd March 2010, 09:39 AM #12
stop it, my sides are splitting.
getting rid of the consultants and the tie in with big business
22nd March 2010, 09:46 AM #13
Originally Posted by bossman
Barmy Labour policies .... I wish...
'New Labour' has spent its years in power continuing implementing policies where the Tories left off..... PFI is one that springs to mind... deregulation of the financial sector another.... maintaining weak employment legislation that make it easier to get rid of jobs in the UK than anywhere else in Europe another.... taking up the sleaze mantel that was dropped by the Tories when they lost power....
Sigh.... politicians.... the modern equivalent of traffic wardens in the popularity stakes
22nd March 2010, 09:51 AM #14
Having thoroughly read through ALL of the party manifests for education, the only ones that made sense (in my mind) were UKIP and BNP. They want to bring back values of discipline - none of this "I put your name on the board and tick 3 times before you get sent out" malarky. Good old fashioned discipline! If I spoke to my teachers the way the kids to today, my parents would have whooped my backside! - however I digress.
Labour and Lib Dems believe that corporate infrastructure in schools allows for proper expansion and modernisation, when in reality, most of the buildings could just do with a a few bits of polyfiller, a lick of paint and a decent infrastructure (electrics, plumbing and computer cables eg. Fibre, Cat5e or Cat6a). In my area we have had 2 schools bought out by the local college, nothing wrong structurally, however their hand was forced by local government to build 2 new building on each site (costing approximately £30million per site), complete with fibre running throughout etc.
Tories however can see that this model doesn't work as whilst yes it creates jobs for a few years what happens when BSF has been through, job cuts have been made to allow the BSF companies to have their people in, and there is no more money to pump into education as it is going on mass welfare due to unemployment of highly qualified people?
Labour have seriously sold us down the river and I for one am not going to vote for them again.
22nd March 2010, 09:54 AM #15
Originally Posted by broc
plus whoever we get, expect more of the same. And in a decade where the governing party will be concerned about public finances, PFI might be more so the ideal vehicle for politicians to make public investment and to flatter the public sector balance sheet.
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