Intelligent design?

[cookie_monster]

I do like this bit though: “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it."

Looking around the world today, population, pollution, a dead ecosystem I think we're nearly there, mother nature will soon be subdued

[RinSewand]

This would possibly be better taken to PM - but from that (which I must say is very well written) the evidence IS faith?

I was rather hoping we'd veer off towards the eye and flagella motors... which have been touted as real scientific evidence...

[localzuk]

its relegion you either believe it because you do or think its a load of twaddle and tbh no amount of rational argument will settle it as its not a rational thing

Ah, but that's the thing - Intelligent Design is not intrinsically linked with religion supposedly. The current idea was created specifically to remove 'God' from the equation, in order to be able to teach it in US Science classes - which is why even the Catholic Church and a good long list of other such bodies have said it is unacceptable.

[LosOjos]

Religion is so obviously a control mechanism invented by man in a time when they didn't have guns to threaten people with; what better way to make people tow the line than put the fear of god in them? And there are very few exceptions (Buddhism the only I know of) to that rule of the fear of god.

Personally, I believe in The Flying Spaghetti Monster, and have just as much proof for Him as anybody else has for their gods.

At least He doesn't actively promote rape, slavery, murder and a total lack of respect for women like most other gods.

[sted]

Religion is so obviously a control mechanism invented by man in a time when they didn't have guns to threaten people with; what better way to make people tow the line than put the fear of god in them? And there are very few exceptions (Buddhism the only I know of) to that rule of the fear of god.

Personally, I believe in The Flying Spaghetti Monster, and have just as much proof for Him as anybody else has for their gods.

At least He doesn't actively promote rape, slavery, murder and a total lack of respect for women like most other gods.

im not so sure relegions do as such but you can read all sorts of things into whats said depending on your own mindset. As a simple example how many times have you had to reread a sentance as you read the word you were expecting to see rather than the actual word becsuse it looked smaller

[Marci]

So when are we starting EduSkeptics then??

[RinSewand]

And there's good evidence that religion in its early days improved a groups chance of natural selection as it bonded the group and gave them a leader - an organised tribe woudl be much more likely to win any fights it found itself part of, and therefore control more land, thus becoming more powerful, with more followers...

These days - probably not so important in most 'civilised' places in the world.

RwD

[mac_shinobi]

OK, thank you for the post Advocate, but when I talk of evidence (and most of the world does too) they refer to scientific evidence, not religious doctrine. I don't find a book which is entirely unsourced, and potentially just a collection of old fairy tales (not that I am calling them that, I'm saying that they potentially could be, as we have very little evidence to the contrary), to be an acceptable source.

So, any scientific sources? Ones that don't change the scientific method to include "theistic realism".

Just my $0.02 and I could be wrong ( nothing new there ) am guessing it is similiar to perfection in the sense that it does not exist

[witch]

Surely the main evidence of intelligent design could be said to be the fact that whilst our brain certainly isnt the biggest, it IS the most functional, and allows us to reason and create in a way that is beyond any other living creature on earth (except possibly the dolphins )

[fafster]

IMO it's all nonsense.

Intelligent design is advocated by the same people who think Jesus rode to work on the back of a triceratops.

With regard to Religion, it was created to subdue the masses and create positions of power. Before religion you'd have needed a lot of men and weapons to keep a population toeing your line. With religion you tell them that being obedient means you get to spend eternity in a blissful paradise, which would have been a stark contrast to the lives that they would have been living.

[localzuk]

Surely the main evidence of intelligent design could be said to be the fact that whilst our brain certainly isnt the biggest, it IS the most functional, and allows us to reason and create in a way that is beyond any other living creature on earth (except possibly the dolphins )

Nah, that's just gap filling. Namely, we don't know why we are like we are, so advocates of ID drop in an intelligent designer to fill the gap, rather than say 'we don't know'.

[solitaire89]

I find it very interesting that many people merrily believe (which actually cannot be proven only surmised) that at at one point in time the whole of matter including all planets and everything on them (buildings/people/animals/mountains/oceans/the whole kit and kaboodle) was so small that it would be smaller than a single electron...

And yet they find the concept of a virgin birth and creation difficult to comprehend...

[fafster]

I find it very interesting that many people merrily believe (which actually cannot be proven only surmised) that at at one point in time the whole of matter including all planets and everything on them (buildings/people/animals/mountains/oceans/the whole kit and kaboodle) was so small that it would be smaller than a single electron...

And yet they find the concept of a virgin birth and creation difficult to comprehend...

Smaller than a single electron is a bit of an exaggeration! But yeah we're currently composed of mostly nothing whatsoever. The distances between the components inside an atom are pretty vast, relatively speaking. It's not a stretch to think that they may possibly have been a lot closer at some point.

[witch]

Nah, that's just gap filling. Namely, we don't know why we are like we are, so advocates of ID drop in an intelligent designer to fill the gap, rather than say 'we don't know'.

But isn't that the basis of all Physics theories? Work out what might be happening?

[sted]

And yet they find the concept of a virgin birth and creation difficult to comprehend...

isnt the virgin birth actually an error in translation thats just got stuck im sure ive seen somewhere the actual wording should of read unmarried mother but was mistranslated way back when