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General Chat Thread, Public sector employees to get ripped off, again in General; Originally Posted by localzuk The UK is not America. It is also not South Africa. Personally, I'm glad of that. ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    The UK is not America. It is also not South Africa. Personally, I'm glad of that. Both the USA and South Africa have a much higher level of violent crime, muggings and murder. Why do you think this is?
    They are also much larger countries. I would not worry so much though. With the UKs yob culture and anti social behaviour itt wont take to long for it to get worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RingOfFlame View Post
    They are also much larger countries. I would not worry so much though. With the UKs yob culture and anti social behaviour itt wont take to long for it to get worse.

    It might take some time.

    Gun deaths per 100,000 population

    Homicide Suicide Other (inc Accident)
    USA (2001) 3.98 5.92 0.36
    England/Wales (2002) 0.15 0.2 0.03
    Scotland (2002) 0.06 0.2 0.02

    Gun Facts



    Murders (per capita)

    Murders (per capita) statistics - countries compared - NationMaster

    # 61 Saudi Arabia (They must of forgot to include state murder I mean execution in those stats)


    Yob culture is a bit of a pain but it's not on the same scale really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RingOfFlame View Post
    They are also much larger countries. I would not worry so much though. With the UKs yob culture and anti social behaviour itt wont take to long for it to get worse.
    Size doesn't matter - the issue is crime per capita. Those rates are much higher still, as cookie_monster pointed out above me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Size doesn't matter - the issue is crime per capita. Those rates are much higher still, as cookie_monster pointed out above me.
    And social support is the sole reason for this then? There are numerous other factors that tie into this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahuxham View Post
    And social support is the sole reason for this then? There are numerous other factors that tie into this.


    It's a very complicated issue. One thing that seems clear when looking at figures is that societies with good social systems in place see less poverty driven crime.
    An unfortunate backlash of this which might explain the rise of the U.K yob culture could be too many young unemployed people who have no incentive to find work as they're paid to hang around all day. Then again you could say that its also due to any number of factors, poor facilities or lack of work etc

    I met quite a few people in New Zealand from South Africa they were all trying to get visas to stay, my neighbour is also South African. From what they've told me crime is very high there to the point where the wealthy have permanent armed guards, they all see poverty as a key driver of these problems.
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    Another country with poor social care, high crime and high poverty - Brazil. And the rich there have to buy armoured cars to protect themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cookie_monster View Post
    It's a very complicated issue. One thing that seems clear when looking at figures is that societies with good social systems in place see less poverty driven crime.
    An unfortunate backlash of this which might explain the rise of the U.K yob culture could be too many young unemployed people who have no incentive to find work as they're paid to hang around all day. Then again you could say that its also due to any number of factors, poor facilities or lack of work etc

    I met quite a few people in New Zealand from South Africa they were all trying to get visas to stay, my neighbour is also South African. From what they've told me crime is very high there to the point where the wealthy have permanent armed guards, they all see poverty as a key driver of these problems.
    Ah South Africa, the country that gave us the flame thrower equipped car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somabc View Post
    Ah South Africa, the country that gave us the flame thrower equipped car.

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    Wow!!!


    Already, the Automobile Association of South Africa (AA) was arguing, that the rising rates of carjackings were simply a result of increased use of ignition system immobilizers, mandated by insurance companies in response to increased car theft rates, which made it almost impossible to steal cars, except at gunpoint, with the engine running.

    This makes me think of the whole fingerprint readers to start cars idea. I'd much rather be able to just hand over my keys

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    Quote Originally Posted by cookie_monster View Post
    Wow!!!





    This makes me think of the whole fingerprint readers to start cars idea. I'd much rather be able to just hand over my keys
    When they introduce retina scans at ATM's then I will be really worried

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    Quote Originally Posted by torledo View Post
    That's exactly what we have at present, a progressive tax system.
    Umm - no we don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somabc View Post
    Ah South Africa, the country that gave us the flame thrower equipped car.

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    And the Mandela Necklace


    Quote Originally Posted by SpuffMonkey View Post
    Umm - no we don't [have a progressive tax system].
    oh?

    if I earn £15k i pay £1,705 in incometax
    if I earn £30k i pay £4,705 in incometax
    if I earn £60k i pay £13,930 in incometax
    if I earn £60k i pay £37,930.00 in incometax


    looks pretty progressive to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Size doesn't matter
    Teheheh, thats what she said

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    if I earn £60k i pay £37,930.00 in incometax
    Ouch that's alot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cookie_monster View Post
    Ouch that's alot.
    It's also incorrect i think. The 13930 figure is correct. 37930 in income tax figure probably applies to those earning 120k.

    Doesn't make the system any less progressive though does it ?
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