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General Chat Thread, BCS Membership in General; Originally Posted by russdev To be honest i found that even if supporter is not from local area no problem ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by russdev View Post
    To be honest i found that even if supporter is not from local area no problem as long as they can vouch for you and your work history.

    I do agree if you can get involved in local group do as this is something I wish I had time to do.

    Russ

    p.s

    Sorry @darkster i wasn't trying to say you didnt know the answer
    Feel free to nominate me. My meetings are in Cardiff!

    GJE

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    I was a member around 20 years ago - have things changed? (In real terms that is.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chunky View Post
    I was a member around 20 years ago - have things changed? (In real terms that is.)
    Yes, I believe so. There were fairly major changes after 2000 and the new Transformation project (which has actually been 59 sep projects running since the start of this year) has started to demonstrate that the BCS has been listening to Members and is now moving very fast to get "up to date".

    You can get more of a flavour for the changes from the videos here :

    Videos | Our Transformation | About BCS | BCS - The Chartered Institute for IT

    I can't speak for why you felt it wasn't for you before and I'm not going to twist your arm to join again but why not get along to some of your branches local meetings and see for yourself ?

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    I heard that the BCS is like the computing Freemasons!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicholab View Post
    I heard that the BCS is like the computing Freemasons!!!!
    We're not quite that bad ............................................. yet

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    This is what you used to need to become CITP, has this changed? Have you looked at the "what can I apply for" page?

    What can I apply for? | Grades | Membership and Networking | BCS - The Chartered Institute for IT

    To become a Chartered IT Professional (CITP), you must meet a number of important criteria:

    Firstly, when you apply for Chartered status, you will be awarded membership (if you are not already a member), either at Chartered level or, if you are not quite ready, at the most appropriate membership grade.

    Secondly, you must have 8-10 years of IT work experience; this can be reduced depending on your academic qualifications, but must be a minimum of 5 years. For more information, please see Education and experience.

    Finally, at least 3 of the past 5 years must have been spent in an IT role with significant influence and responsibility, a challenging range of complex work activities, well-developed business skills, and full accountability. This requirement is defined more fully in SFIA level 5.

    To become a Chartered IT Professional (CITP) you should have spent at least the last 12 months in a role that demonstrates:

    * Significant influence and responsibility
    * A challenging range of complex work activities
    * Full accountability
    * Well developed business skills

    Any individual who is unable to provide evidence of working at SFIAplus Level 5 for the last 12 months (but who has worked at that level in the past) will be assessed and a judgement made by our assessors regarding their suitability and whether further checks which may involve telephone discussions and or interviews are required.

    Examples may include:

    * Ill health
    * Career break e.g. Maternity leave
    * Redundancy
    * Further education

    Further education is defined as CPD which encompasses anything that is of benefit to the individual which furthers their own experience and development.
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    Quote Originally Posted by somabc View Post
    This is what you used to need to become CITP, has this changed? Have you looked at the "what can I apply for" page?

    What can I apply for? | Grades | Membership and Networking | BCS - The Chartered Institute for IT


    As I stated earlier in this thread, the process for obtaining Chartered status (CITP) has now changed.

    For those interested in the new style CITP download this document to find out about the BCS and CITP (on page 5) :

    http://www.bcs.org//upload/pdf/trans...date-sep09.pdf

    I would also add that the easier way is to join as a Member and then upgrade a few months later (which may save on a fee increase as it will be deferred until the next renewal )
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    Quote Originally Posted by UKDarkstar View Post
    As I stated earlier in this thread, the process for obtaining Chartered status (CITP) has now changed.

    For those interested in the new style CITP download this document to find out about the BCS and CITP (on page 5) :

    http://www.bcs.org//upload/pdf/trans...date-sep09.pdf

    I would also add that the easier way is to join as a Member and then upgrade a few months later (which may save on a fee increase as it will be deferred until the next renewal )
    Thanks I had a look at the new website but could not see what had changed wrt CITP.

    PS is that URL correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by somabc View Post
    Thanks I had a look at the new website but could not see what had changed wrt CITP.

    PS is that URL correct?

    Sorry, it is now

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    Until its a mandatory requirement to have a Chartered ICT person on board (like Accountants or Engineers) - I think this is doomed to irrelevance for the most part. And I sadly say that as a MBCS CITP, myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpuffMonkey View Post
    Until its a mandatory requirement to have a Chartered ICT person on board (like Accountants or Engineers) - I think this is doomed to irrelevance for the most part. And I sadly say that as a MBCS CITP, myself.
    I would say that it is as irrelevant as you, a Member, make it. I for one, have spouted it to many recruiters and employers and once they understand what the Chartered award stands for they are generally supportive.

    The new changes will not be for everyone and personally I expect that some Members will leave. However, given the vast number of peoplke working in IT there are many who can be convinced to support the Transformation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKDarkstar View Post
    I would say that it is as irrelevant as you, a Member, make it. I for one, have spouted it to many recruiters and employers and once they understand what the Chartered award stands for they are generally supportive.

    The new changes will not be for everyone and personally I expect that some Members will leave. However, given the vast number of peoplke working in IT there are many who can be convinced to support the Transformation.
    I don't think that how it is viewed is down to me. I'm as happy to talk it up as anyone and have spent time on the local branch as an officer - but frankly, at employers and local firms, I was usually greeted with at best a shrug (even from the public sector) and at worst, complete ignorance.

    As I've said before - for it to have value, it needs to be a mandatory requirement - you don't get to be an engineer because you played with lego, or a doctor after playing at doctors & nurses - but anyone can say they are an IT Professional after fiddling about on a PC at home - and as most of us know - its not the same thing at all.

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    Well my forms arrived today so once I have time I will knock up the CV - not written one of them since I applied for a job in McDonalds back when I was in sixth form.

    My school application wasn't a CV but a form.

    Any hints ppl? I should know this really but maybe I'll research online for ideas. Isn't it funny how skills are missing (I open myself up here) - being in the comfortable bosom of education has shielded me from what my mother would call 'the real world'.

    GJE

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    I am a teacher and BCS member but gained this through my degree and started as a student member

    however one of the lecturers on my PGCE gained charterd status through her work in education, though this was under the old requirements, I see no reason for you being able to gain professional staus through teaching if you teach tecnical enough qualifications. I'm thinking A-Level computing and to a certain extend the OCR nationals level 3 because they are of a much more technical nature than Applied A-level.

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    @spuffmonkey : I can just imagine the noise generated by the unions and many members here if I was to suggest to schools in my LA that the IT Manager should have chartered status. I don't think it would be a bad thing but might have to work out a number of equivalent accreditations. A point to discuss next week I think.



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