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    Quote Originally Posted by steve View Post
    The estimated education budget total for 2009 is £70bn

    So £2bn of that isn't huge but will be felt by us all.
    Thanks. That is interesting because we may be able to extrapolate what that means - for our school 2.85% drop in budget would represent a loss of £200,000 - not an easy amount of money to 'find' without a serious cut in service.

    With any luck they'll just cut it from BSf. I'm hoping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post

    With any luck they'll just cut it from BSf. I'm hoping.
    will that make any difference if BSf is off-balance sheet ? I'm not familiar with the specifics of the BSf accounting as part of govt. finances, but BSf if included as a govt. liability would surely be part of the public sector debt and not something that can be cut to make a difference to the deficit.

    And what the three parties are really talking about is addressing the deficit or budget balance from 2011 onward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oops_my_bad View Post
    Labour's £2bn cuts for schools - Times Online

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberNerd View Post
    Thanks. That is interesting because we may be able to extrapolate what that means - for our school 2.85% drop in budget would represent a loss of £200,000 - not an easy amount of money to 'find' without a serious cut in service.
    If you look at most secondary schools, staff wage costs (mostly teachers) swallow up most of the budget. That level of cuts translates to staff redundancy for quite a few teachers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torledo View Post
    How exactly would they be rid of a proportion of these pen pushers, what of the cost of making thousands of them redundant ? Don't worry the libdems have thought this through, we don't have to worry about redundancy payouts, our old friend 'natural wastage' comes to the rescue. ROFL.
    figure being bandied about was 10% over 18 months in natural wastage.

    suffice to say the interviewer wasn't convinced with those figures, and the libdem chap did tie himself up in knots a bit, especially when it was put to him that they weren't actually 'cutting' anything with this idea.
    Is 10% over 18 months unreasonable? I've no idea what the turnover is in the civil service but it could be that high (actually, after a bit of googling, 10% in 18 months seems very low - PART 3: Labour Turnover gives some stats from the CIPD and the CBI which give figures ranging from 15% - 25% per year)

    There are further savings if people leave and you don't replace them - it costs money to recruit and you don't spend that if you don't replace leavers. A saving of £20,000 salary could be more than £30,000 if you add in the other costs of employment that you save.

    Of course, part of the problem, is that the "wrong" people might leave - once politicians start saying "we need to lose 10% of staff through natural wastage" the brightest and best are going to start looking for new jobs before that natural wastage becomes compulsory redundancy.



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