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I need to put together a document which shows that it would be beneficial ...
26th August 2009, 08:24 AM #1
Help on a winning argument.
I need some help people please.
I need to put together a document which shows that it would be beneficial for me to have an MCSE certification.
Has anyone had to do anything similar?
I just need some pointers please.
Thank you in advance
26th August 2009, 08:31 AM #2
Where are you with Server 2008 roll out? Are you on 2003 or 2008? If on 2003 are you moving to 2008?
Why? Current MSCE exams are 2008 based and since you have to move to the new system at some point you need training on how to use the features of 2008.
I'm also looking at using hyper-v - more 2008 based training.
Then there's the argument that if you haven't had the proper training then it's unlikely you can properly and securely manage the server OS (be careful how you phrase that argument, don't want to loose your job!)
I went down the route of getting the school to agree buying self study books and agreeing to pay for the exams. A lot cheaper than MCSE courses (or indeed any IT course!).
26th August 2009, 08:36 AM #3
There is no course like this where you won't learn something. Also, you'll learn things you didn't know you needed to learn (thats why syllabus/instructor lead courses can help - because you get taught stuff you don't ask for). You may not realise the full value of this learning until long after, but generally, this sort of thing pays for itself in time, long term.
Also, tell your boss it is more likely to keep you at the job if you feel you are progressing.
Thanks to tom_newton from:
26th August 2009, 08:46 AM #4
Half way through my MCSE, finished MCP, and MCSA, just got 2 more to-go.
Half the stuff I've learnt isn't actually relevant, and everythings done Microsoft's way and not your own way which can be hard to grasp, and some of the material is totally insane.
I.e. Knowing how to implement SLIP, or which operating systems can Windows XP Professional be rolled back on should you upgrade and not like it.
It does however add alot of insight into various things. I now know all the commands for AD, DHCP and the likes, rather than doing everything via GUI.
It's also beneficial in the long run.
You may want to add that the course will greatly improve your efficiency at resolving issues and planning for the future, if you use third parties this would be the time to say you could do it yourself.
26th August 2009, 09:19 AM #5
Sorry OT but...
Originally Posted by ahuxham
Is that SLIP - Serial Line IP? AFAIR was used for connecting dial modems to your ISP. I think it was superceded by PPP? That being the case, does anyone actually use that anymore?
26th August 2009, 09:59 AM #6
I've just thrown out my NT 4.0 MCSE guides\manuals. They are like a small Mills and Boon book compared to the amount of info you now have to digest!
26th August 2009, 10:08 AM #7
Correct, it is Serial Line IP, and it is superseded by PPP, however you still need to know how it works, what it does and how to set it up. I know, rather barmy, but its what needs to be known.
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