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General Chat Thread, Now they want my server root password. in General; It's a difficult one, and something i've experienced much pain with! I'd imagine you are in a better position Mike ...
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    Re: Now they want my server root password.

    It's a difficult one, and something i've experienced much pain with!

    I'd imagine you are in a better position Mike working without pay as you do. Surely the school have no legal hold over you. You are (like) a consultant who is working on the system as a specialist.

    The whole point, as everyone is saying, is that you get the school to realise the danger inherrant in letting those password/s fall into the wrong hands.

    The horrible consequences are that there will be an unknown introduced into the equasion with every fix ~ What did that person do that may be screwing things now?

    At worst make them another admin on a client PC - once they've got into the settings and set that up, you should be good to go with whatever you need to do. I would expect them to leave you with the drivers and hopefully a manual.

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    Re: Now they want my server root password.

    Does anyone know where you can get those snap open plastic wallets ala wargames for me to put my password in?

    I should have a said about putting the password in an envelope "put a password in a sealed envelope" thats not to say it's the current one with good password practice you would update this envelope every month or whatever.

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    Re: Now they want my server root password.

    @plexer: I made an additional admin account with a ridiculously complex username and password :twisted:
    They only need A password.

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    Re: Now they want my server root password.

    How about their name as HEX values or URLencoded()?

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    Re: Now they want my server root password.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ric_
    @plexer: I made an additional admin account with a ridiculously complex username and password :twisted:
    They only need A password.
    Me too. It hit the fan a couple of months ago when I was off - resulting in me being accused of not keeping the password in the safe. Turned out they wanted the local PC admin passwords and couldn't figure out how to get them with the domain one, which they'd found as I found the envelopes all torn open in the safe.

    I didn't push it.

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    Re: Now they want my server root password.

    Hello . Your all great, and Good advice.

    Well There is no way they are going to get any root or administrators password or sealed 'bomb' proof envelopes, ( you say keep it in the school safe ? what safe ? you mean the money box that's left lying around in the office ! .).


    Another thing about this school some parents come in to help and this reminded me some time ago when one of them wanted to go on the internet (dial up in them days) so she clicked on the dialup icon then she decided that she had to put in the user name and password (which she did no know) she asks the head and the only one she had was for our email account , she put this and of cause it would not work .
    So I get frantic phone calls that the internet was not working.. all she had to do was click ok in the first place because it was pre set by me.

    So you could imagine what some of them could do to this domain if they had a password to get in.( the heads husband builds/takes apart computers ! ? ! * mainly old 486's win 95 ) :!:

    Another thing I provided and built the sever up and have provided some of the hardware for the network which you could say is on loan.

    what I have done about the printer is put a note on it asking for a static IP address of xxxxx etc. and asked for the Mac address.
    And if he wants to test it he can use his laptop plugged into the printer , and I will set it up in my own time.
    If the school chairperson/parent who this ordered this digital copier/printer and took its delivery then arranged for it to be moved again some time next week also ask them to set it up and never even thought to ask my advice first well they will have to wait till I'm ready to put it on the network .





    Thanks. From Michael.

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    Re: Now they want my server root password.

    Well, to be brutal, if things get to be too much hassle just walk away. It's not worth the stress. :P

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    Re: Now they want my server root password.

    I put mine in an envelope with tape all wrapped round it so it was obvious if someone has had a look.

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    Re: Now they want my server root password.

    I think you need to step back and look at this situation from the outside.

    Its really great that you are helping someone out for free but having an employee or contractor or helper or anyone dictating policy (when not specifically asked to do so) to an organisation will most probably lead to a catastrophic breakdown in relations and end up with marbles being taken home.

    Give them the passwords and explain your concerns if they are misused and leave them to it.

    Clarify which pieces of equipment the schools owns and which pieces of equipment you are loaning to them and whether you will be taking them home once marbles are involved :P


    regards

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    Re: Now they want my server root password.

    Hi. and thanks for comments,

    What I will do is to have a word with the head and talk about the problems with the staff and any 'helpful' parent messing about with this system and pointing out the damage they could do.Then take it from there.



    From Michael.

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    Re: Now they want my server root password.

    A wise idea, I find that problematic staff and "helpful" parents are usually the ones who make me want to grab the nearest firearm and show them how problematic I can be

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    Re: Now they want my server root password.

    I had this at my last place, I gave them the main passwords when I told them I was leaving, within 2 days the head felt it nessacery to pin them on the staff room noticeboard for all to see, so every user was using Administrator when they felt that the system was being funny, so at that point I gave up caring and abandoned it and all the problems they made such as deleting shared work, drivers, pupils entire folders etc...... Some people are dangerous with admin passwords and should never be trusted.

    As for the copier, do as has been said, give them an IP to use and then ask for the CD leaving. The firm I use want to install it as part of the deal as too many people don't do it correctly, but you sit with them, they ask for the admin password on the form but you can tell them they won't get it as you will be there on the day to assist them and take notes in case of server failure. In my case I just told them I will set it up, and if I have issues I will phone you. Its worked fine since day 1 and never gone wrong! I can even get it to do more things than they normally set them up for

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    Re: Now they want my server root password.

    Hi.
    Re copier/printer .
    I went in after school on Thursday night ( Its great, nice and quite just the mice eating away under the floor ) and did a bit on this new network also put a notice on the copier "I require a static IP address on 192. etc and sm 255.etc. and ask for there Mac .address and driver Disk", so I went in last night, ( mice are now in one of the cupboards . O-well not my problem now. One of the children had a shock when they came backfrom holidays, In the classroom draw was a nice family of mice..! Its never been the same since I left 2 years ago !).
    So I looked at my note on the copier and the parent/ school chairperson (who ordered this machine) had put on it that I did not need that.. :x What the fxxx does she know about servers and networks ?.. I have put on it, no IP address no network printer..
    They may soon appreciate all the free hard work I do with the computers( with no thanks), they have mist the use of the system on the inset day when they wanted to print out some labels and they will have to wait a bit longer because I have a few issues to sort out yet.

    Regards Michael.
    Ps. I think I may ask for there Bank details, username and passwords see what they say to that. :twisted:

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    Re: Now they want my server root password.

    Have you thought of giving the supplier a ring and having a quick chat with them, I appreciate its going behind this chairperson / head/ parent etc but I find it much better to talk to the people who know what they are going on about as messages get mixed up, they may have even sent a form out for a network check before installation and this person may have just filled it in all wrong anyway! so may be worth a ring and see if you can work together for both your benifits?

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    Re: Now they want my server root password.

    Hi. Although I only live 150 mts. from the school and I'm only there when I choose to go Eg. when there is no one there !..
    I'm half expecting a desperate phone call from school saying the man's at school and needs to put this printer onto the system .
    Being that I am trying to get the roof of my garage/flat I'm building put on before the bad weather, I will just have a word with him then on the phone to sort things out, he will understand..
    But thanks for the idea.
    From Michael.

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