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7th May 2009, 04:01 PM #1
Anyone else got this job title?
The school (with consultation / negotiation) have re-written my job description - something long overdue as it had been some time since it was last looked at properly.
They are proposing that my job title be 'ICT Manager' - a new one on me as I haven't heard it used in schools before. Has anybody else got this job title & what are the implications? I'm really seeing myself as an NM so I don't know whether this change would be advantageous / disadvantageous - especially as the pay and conditions review is kicking the door to be let in for us here in the next few months.
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7th May 2009, 04:04 PM #2
Don't worry about your job title - it is purely for internal organisation. Job titles have no impact whatsoever on your pay and grading.
What is important from pay/grading point of view is the roles and responsibilities that go with that position.
Thanks to CyberNerd from:
7th May 2009, 04:08 PM #3
I was recently changed to ICT manager as I did not feel right as a NM. I see a NM as managing an IT team but I don’t have a team to manage.
If it helps PM me with your email address and I can forward my job description. If you don’t mind it might be interesting to see your job description. I am also based in that bit in the middle of England.
7th May 2009, 04:26 PM #4
I have the title ICT Technical Manager here. I see IT Manager, Systems Manager and Network Manager used in ads all over the place. When we were kicking titles around many years back we settled on that as opposed to Network Manager because I manage more than a network (as do many others here).
IMHO my title feels more all encompassing and the Head here shared that view. I'm not sure it matters in the long term as long as pay isn't governed by the title. Again I'm pretty lucky here as I get paid very well and there is little notice taken of county figures etc.
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7th May 2009, 04:35 PM #5
What else do you manage then?
Originally Posted by jcollings
7th May 2009, 04:48 PM #6
I think that ICT Manager should be a more senior role than Network Manager. The network manager is responsible for the network while ICT Manager should have full oversight of all ICT in the school. I know the NM often does a lot more in schools but then their job title is misapplied.
ICT Manager is a better job title IMHO.
In descending order I would put
CTO / IT Director (SLT Position)
IT Manager (Top of the ICT Dept)
Network Manager / SIMS Manager / <whatever specialist role> Manager
Senior IT Technician
Obviously most schools are not large enough to cover every post.
Last edited by somabc; 7th May 2009 at 04:57 PM.
7th May 2009, 05:06 PM #7
Yup, they're all me! then add on Lighting technician, Sound engineer, Electrician, Teaching assistant, Teacher, Timetabler..... No wonder I'm Knackered!
Originally Posted by somabc
7th May 2009, 05:19 PM #8
I guess no more than many others on here - I've just managed to get it recognised formaly.
Originally Posted by EvLPhenom
But things like audio visual, performing arts, cctv, phones, cashless catering, SIMS (including the use and development in school rather than just technically), VLE (again rolling it out in terms of teaching and learning rather than just at a technical level), a number of feeder schools IT systems and developments, e-safety officer (also includes delivering sessions via citizenship lessons and parental sessions) etc.
For me lots of these jobs fall outside the title Network Manager and fit more comfortably in a wider remit (IT Manger) although I also currently have the TLR equivalent for being Director of E Learning too!
I must stress I'm not saying I do more than many, many people on here - all I am saying (in answer to the OP's question) is that I think the title network manager doesn't cut it if you do lots of stuff outside the network job and SLT need to recognise that and give people appropriate titles and more importantly appropriate pay.
It seems too often schools are giving people a title which attracts a grading that is much lower than they should be paid for the actual role they do.
As I said - I'm lucky here that I do get the correct title and grading for my post. I know many are not so fortunate.
7th May 2009, 05:20 PM #9
I would tend to agree - that seems like a reasonable hierarchy to me.
Originally Posted by somabc
8th May 2009, 12:18 PM #10
It have the title of 'ICT Manager' and as was said, it is more encompassing than Network Manager; NM implies that you are responsible for the network alone, where ICT Manager can (and does) include anything from Hardware maintenance to Software training to ICT Suite timetable creation to SIMS development to "can you have a look at the kettle/washing machine/other object with a microchip in it, and so on.
8th May 2009, 12:50 PM #11
Network Administrator for me.
Manager seems a bit formal for my liking.
8th May 2009, 12:59 PM #12
I guess it depends what you do but here I manage people/budgets/resources so I am a manager not an administrator.
Originally Posted by sippo
8th May 2009, 01:01 PM #13
I do all that aswell, I just don't like the network manager title.
8th May 2009, 01:03 PM #14
Neither do I - I much prefer IT Manager
Originally Posted by sippo
8th May 2009, 03:14 PM #15
But if you have administrator in your title do you not risk being thrown in with somebody who 'does the filing' and get stuck on admin payscales.
From working in a LA, anyone with manager or officer in their title seemed to get a 10k pay rise!
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