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    Please do tell us more, the only solution to get things working more effectively here with CC4 is to chuck more memory on the machines but even with the best inferstruture and lastest kit available logon times seem to be pathetically slow in comparison to a vanilla setup, and lets not forget about the many memory leaks with the major one being the network recyle bin which has still yet to be fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trurl View Post
    Yep, I'm not even sure if it's at all possible to make CC4 work ok (stable, fast). There are some really deep architectural problems with it.
    Are you really an ex-RM employee or just trying to wind people up here?

    If you are real then please accept my apologies.

    If you are winding people up then I'm sure the CC4 schools on here know they have problems and do not need reminding.

    Again - sorry if I have made a mistake,

    Gareth

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    Yes, I really am an ex-RM employee (can't think of a way to prove it TBH).
    I'll try to type something up about those architectural problems later (when I get home).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trurl View Post
    Yes, I really am an ex-RM employee (can't think of a way to prove it TBH).
    I'll try to type something up about those architectural problems later (when I get home).
    In that case I apologise once again.

    Send us your name LOLOLOL and what you used to do in RM. MWAH!!!

    GJE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trurl View Post
    Yep, I'm not even sure if it's at all possible to make CC4 work ok (stable, fast). There are some really deep architectural problems with it.
    I've got a significant NT s/w dev history and that has been my take since I spent my first day with CC4. Thus I'm not surprised to hear it, but it is interesting to have that view confirmed.

    You're certainly from s/w dev-land and if you're not ex-RM I'll eat my hat.

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    Right, I was planning to put together some words on why, in my opinion, CC4 turned out to be such a disaster for quite some time now.

    First of all, a few disclamers. One, I wasn't fired from RM , so it's not bitterness. Two, I left the company some time ago now so my info can be a bit out of date.

    It was a mistake to make the management console a desktop app instead of a web app. The overhead of transfering the data back and forth between the server and client is crippling performance.

    Secondly, the key compoents (user management, computer management) should have been developed with very high performance in mind. Lots of other services depend on user/computer data to operate. User management is still the old CC3 stuff underneath, which wasn't particularily fast in the first place.

    This is just a small fraction of the problems with CC4, most of them are due to organizational dysfunction. The individual devs are often very skilled but RM's managerial ineptidude is dragging them down. But that's a topic for another post.

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    What programming language is CC4 based on?

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    Wow - things are getting interesting on this thread for sure! I wonder how long it lasts!

    Nice to have some insider knowledge coming to edugeek!!

    Butuz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trurl View Post
    It was a mistake to make the management console a desktop app instead of a web app. The overhead of transfering the data back and forth between the server and client is crippling performance.
    What god-forsaken protocol are they using to transfer the data?? Is this a mistake because of the issues transferring the data? The Microsoft management snap-ins run on workstations, so why is it so difficult for RM to do the same sort of thing reliably? I thought the management stuff was done with a PostgreSQL back-end?

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    with two weeks to go before our cc4 install i am now actually worried.
    i have spent the first 5 months of my job here getting the network to a workable state that staff feel happy about.
    if we now go to v.slow logon times and poor network performance it will destroy all the work i've done to build up users confidence in the network!

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    Well this week we are undergoing our re-commission, brand new server and a complete rebuild of everything. So thats almost 6 months to the day its taken so far.... fingers crossed!!!

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    you know when you just get a curveball that totally gets you!
    just got an email saying we're ok for our install date in 2 weeks, but am i aware that once we've rebuilt EVERY machine, come mid march when SR1 is released, we will probably have to rebuild them all again.
    i dont know about staff losing confidence in the new network, but my heart is sinking just at the amount of work coming up!

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    The main complaint will be the performance hit on the stations, and if you have any with less than 256mb of RAM you may as well chuck them out now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallwood_6 View Post
    The main complaint will be the performance hit on the stations, and if you have any with less than 256mb of RAM you may as well chuck them out now.
    Just looked on RM website, found: CC4 - "I'd definitely recommend it!"

    Guess it's only for primaries hey? RM recommend a min of 512mb(*) for XP. 2000 isn't support and vista is recommend to have have 1gb.

    I've yet to find any fool with 800MHz CPU and 512mb of ram running Vista (production). Let me know if you see any systems. I need a laugh.

    Also checked out the fixes etc, my god, good luck to anyone doing this!

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