Fine, but then to bitch that they can't be bothered to find work or be able to afford the Mobile phone, ciggies, jewelry and trips to the cafe...........Which leads back to my original point; if you have a roof over your head, food in your belly... You cant really knock people who dont want to take the chance of ending up sleeping in some back ally, all for the sake of an extra £20pw more than they were on the doll.
There is a job there, one which will teach you LIFE skills, one which may offer a pension, one which may offer more training, one which may offer further opportunities, one which may make you feel better about yourself and may actually rub off on immediate family and friends but, if they would rather DO NOTHING apart from moan, talk on their mobile, smoke, enjoy their bling and fantasize about being on EastEnders.......
If you can't be bothered to work, then this country should not be bothered to pay you anything.
It isn't just about getting an extra £20. Life is risky, whatever you do. It is about taking those risks to get yourself on an upwards spiral. Sure, it may only be £20pw extra now, but 5 years down the line, it might be £80pw extra...Which leads back to my original point; if you have a roof over your head, food in your belly... You cant really knock people who dont want to take the chance of ending up sleeping in some back ally, all for the sake of an extra £20pw more than they were on the doll.
But its fair to say we are far more intelligent than those 2 people. Its hard enough, never mind if you were thick as 2 short planks and had no skill.
Like ive tried to stress, i dont like condon people on the dole, but to say anyone can do it (whatever "it" may be; relocate, retrain, etc) just because ive managed to with my circumstances, my upbringing, in my town, is a very simplistic view.
You can be indignant all you like unless you address the desperate inequalities and the absence of social mobility for those IN employment there's no point going off on one at those on benefits. All this overachievement i'm reading is great an all but aren't we all being subsidised by the real wealth creators [if there are any left] in the private sector. How would we like it if they had a go at us for being parasites, parasites with annual increments they could call us. Would that be fair ?
Risks don't work out for everyone, and the opportunities aren't sufficiently widespread for everyone to be a success story.......not everyone has that drive and ambition and misfortune can derail the best laid plans. You cannot force success and ambition on someone by making them work for benefits or by creating bogus job opportunities......and their are a lot of bogus jobs in our false economy.
I've just seen this thread and watched that video.................I'm sick and tired paying for all thes lay abouts...............I hear the same old thing..........i cant find a job! its hard............crap total crap! get off your ass get out there, posting cv's, internet sending cv's local papers, high street! THERE IS WORK out there just get off your @ss and do it!! my hard earned cash goes to u lazy people!
Wowser.. excellent thread.
ok get yer tissues ready...
I was unemployed for 2 years when I finally left education at 19. It was absolute misery. Every day the same, weekends were no different to week days. Degraded, depressed and seemingly no way out. I was given a lot of chances and opportunities from the odd person that cared that helped me crawl out of the situation. The depression took about 8 years to finally go. And I stuck at a job way longer than I should purely because I was **** scared of not working. By about 28 I picked up my life again. I consider the years wasted.
It amazed me at the time.. some people can put up with/ survive unemployment. My sister in law has never worked a day in her life. She's worked having children for benefits very well. She lives in a community where everyone does the same it seems. They learn from each other how to play the system. I would say she's able to do exactly the same as my family do and mostly better when it comes to possessions, and it seems unjust.
When the Head Teacher offered me the IT job at the school he offered me less than I would get on benefits. I told him so and he offered over the amount luckily.
Amazing posts today j17sparky. Respect.
My view of this is rather simple. I'm too proud. I want to earn my money. I realise people have their stories/reasons/excuses (delete as needed) but there is always a way, even in the worst of areas. Half of your stories have proven that.
I really hate the fact that I get taxed out my ass each month in everything that I pay... only for half of it (anyone actually got any figures?) to go on people who are faking it or cba.
Yes some people have real reasons, but like carl said in that interview, he knows people who fake being ill and have kids early on just to sponge.
Takes the royal p*ss tbh. Why the hell should I work my fingers to the bones (or mind to the skull in this case) for some lazy goit to fund his/her baccy addiction/jewlery fetish or their elevenses.
Edit: I said elevenses because i felt saying breakfast would be misinterpreted as i'm a mean b*tard who wants people to starve :P
Last edited by stratisphere; 14th January 2009 at 09:06 PM. Reason: Clarification
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