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    Manchester C-Charge results

    Well at 12 Noon today Greater Manchester finds out whether it will be getting the C-Charge and the TIF funding..

    Hopefully enough people made the right decision and voted NO..

    Only 50 mins to go...

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    Why are you against it? Nothing wrong with c-charging in city centres IMO. If the zone is spread too far into residential areas though then it isnt good.

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    Well - i live about 500 yards OUTSIDE the ring... i work 500 yards WITHIN the ring...

    at moment its 2 to cross the outer ring.. 1 for the inner ring..
    thats at 2007 prices - its not due to come in until about 2012 - so it could go above 5 for the outer ring alone...

    The TIF provides NO benefits to the Public transport where I live or on any part of my journey to work...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatt View Post
    Well - i live about 500 yards OUTSIDE the ring... i work 500 yards WITHIN the ring...
    Then you only live about 15 mins walk from your work so no need to worry about it!

    On a serious note I hope it fails as it's not something I want to see spreading across the country. We pay enough for the priveledge of driving here as it is IMO! Wish the Government would stop treating motorists like a cash cow they can squeeze for more money all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatt View Post
    Well - i live about 500 yards OUTSIDE the ring... i work 500 yards WITHIN the ring...
    If you work 1000 yards away from where you live then surely you do not need to drive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatt View Post
    Well - i live about 500 yards OUTSIDE the ring... i work 500 yards WITHIN the ring...

    at moment its 2 to cross the outer ring.. 1 for the inner ring..
    thats at 2007 prices - its not due to come in until about 2012 - so it could go above 5 for the outer ring alone...

    The TIF provides NO benefits to the Public transport where I live or on any part of my journey to work...
    I do hope that's on different sides of the ring and you don't drive 1000 yards!

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    Quote Originally Posted by somabc View Post
    If you work 1000 yards away from where you live then surely you do not need to drive?
    LMAO!

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    LOL! - No It'd take me about 20 minutes to drive (Rochdale -> Swinton) round the M60!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwendes View Post
    LMAO!
    DOH

    That'll teach me to take things literally.
    Last edited by somabc; 12th December 2008 at 12:11 PM.

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    oops too late

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidewinder View Post
    Why are you against it? Nothing wrong with c-charging in city centres IMO. If the zone is spread too far into residential areas though then it isnt good.
    Depends on the road lay-out, and how feasible it is to avoid it. Consider Reading, where they're also considering it. All roads lead into the town centre, so it is very difficult to go anywhere without hitting the zone - c-charging would just push cars (and worse, lorries) off the main roads and have them snaking through the narrow residential roads which just aren't up to the volume of traffic.

    I'm all for reducing traffic in city centres, but this isn't always achieved by simply making it more expensive. Surely the way that petrol, alcohol and cigarette price rises have made no difference on usage proves this.

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    Bolton - NO
    Bury - NO
    Manchester - NO
    Oldham - NO
    Rochdale - NO
    Salford - NO
    Stockport - NO
    Tameside - NO
    Trafford - NO
    Wigan - NO

    So that's a resounding NO then!

    Last edited by Gatt; 12th December 2008 at 12:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickJones View Post
    Depends on the road lay-out, and how feasible it is to avoid it. Consider Reading, where they're also considering it. All roads lead into the town centre, so it is very difficult to go anywhere without hitting the zone - c-charging would just push cars (and worse, lorries) off the main roads and have them snaking through the narrow residential roads which just aren't up to the volume of traffic.

    I'm all for reducing traffic in city centres, but this isn't always achieved by simply making it more expensive. Surely the way that petrol, alcohol and cigarette price rises have made no difference on usage proves this.
    Fair point about Reading, it would be difficult to achieve there. I hate driving anywhere near the town centre as it is!

    Yeah, I would much rather see a massive improvment in buses or other public transport than simply a congestion charge zone, but anything that makes people think twice about taking the car is a start.
    People need petrol to drive anywhere. But they dont always NEED to drive into town/city centres.
    I do feel sorry for people living inside zones, or have to deliver inside them. But I dont have much sympathy for people moaning, say about the London one, because they want to be lazy and drive to work, when there is excellent public transport links

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    Well what a day - just in time for me passing my test...

    79% of Greater Manchester said NO..
    21% said Yes...

    Pretty conclusive I reckon!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatt View Post

    Pretty conclusive I reckon!!
    I hope so.. but lets hope the local authorities take this on board and do not vote to take it further next Friday's meeting.

    I love the way all the Yes nimbys were trying to make us all feel guilty for voting no and how we will now never get the money. Oh shut up - where do all the BILLIONS go that each and every motorist in this country pays every year? Certainly not on any road or transport improvements, that's for sure. Why the hell should the motorist pay AGAIN to line the pockets of private firms for what should, in fairness, already be in place??
    Last edited by Oops_my_bad; 13th December 2008 at 04:56 PM.

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