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    Is that not what the point levels are for within a grade? For instance, under MRS I'm in 'Grade J' (I think, or was it K - letters at home), any how my pay point would be at the top of this grade (point 29, I think (£18.5l)). Someone with less experience would be JE'd with the same grade (Grade J or K?) but at a lower point, say Point 27 is £16.5k pa.

    For me it now get more complicated because I'm moving to a NM role at another school in a couple of weeks time. My JE was done on my current job. My new job offer was on the previous scale (Scale 6 I believe). What Grade NM's of Scale 6 have been mapped to under JE I'm yet to find out. According to the letter I probably won't find out until January.

    Apparently the new pay is expected to come in to effect next May?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmcd35 View Post
    Is that not what the point levels are for within a grade? For instance, under MRS I'm in 'Grade J' (I think, or was it K - letters at home), any how my pay point would be at the top of this grade (point 29, I think (£18.5l)). Someone with less experience would be JE'd with the same grade (Grade J or K?) but at a lower point, say Point 27 is £16.5k pa.

    Yes that is the point but if you look at the scales they are very narrow bands. The one im in iirc is from £13.8k-£14.8k = £1k difference. Not much room for manouver. Im already top of my band, so no matter how good i am, how much work i put in, how much more experiance i gain, training, qualifications etc etc I wont ever earn more than what i am on now. Go JE for killing any motivation to work hard and progress in your job.

    Besides our grades seem to be; 1 for NM, 1 for technician and thats it. No seniour tech, juniour tech, specialist (web designer etc)...
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    My School never did the MRS and kept quiet about it. I rushed home expecting a letter and was not too pleased to not find one!

    They're looking at doing an internal one now but its going to take a long time. More waiting for me, only been 2.5 years waiting already...

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    Quote Originally Posted by j17sparky View Post
    Yes that is the point but if you look at the scales they are very narrow bands. The one im in iirc is from £13.8k-£14.8k = £1k difference. Not much room for manouver. Im already top of my band, so no matter how good i am, how much work i put in, how much more experiance i gain, training, qualifications etc etc I wont ever earn more than what i am on now. Go JE for killing any motivation to work hard and progress in your job.
    To be fair, althought the band may be narrower now, the setup isn't dissimilar to how it was before - you'd always have reached a ceiling beyond which you wouldn't get any more increments. Indeed, you couldn't really have it any other way; if there was no limit you'd have people who'd been in a technician role for 10 years earning more than a newly appointed business manager, a situation which doesn't reflect the difference in responcibilities in both the roles.
    The motivation you speak of to progress should still exist, but be focused on moving up to better and better jobs as you gain in experience and put the hard work in, not sticking with the same job and doing it incrementally better year on year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheredenine View Post
    To be fair, althought the band may be narrower now, the setup isn't dissimilar to how it was before - you'd always have reached a ceiling beyond which you wouldn't get any more increments. Indeed, you couldn't really have it any other way; if there was no limit you'd have people who'd been in a technician role for 10 years earning more than a newly appointed business manager, a situation which doesn't reflect the difference in responcibilities in both the roles.
    The motivation you speak of to progress should still exist, but be focused on moving up to better and better jobs as you gain in experience and put the hard work in, not sticking with the same job and doing it incrementally better year on year.
    I see your point and agree with it in theory but in my case JE has been used as the perfect scapegoat to get out of paying more wages. The schools which value their employees have simply ignored the gradings set out by JE so in reality its only the people who were on really low wages who are winners, the rest of us are losers or at best stay the same.

    There certainly should be more room for "moving up". Im on near enough exactly the same wages as i was 4 years ago fresh into the job. Now i could maintain any system we have, have deployed every system we have... and im on no more money. Plus JE doesnt take into account the workload; i work in a large school. Should a techy in a tiny little village school with 6 children and a goat get payed the same as someone who looks after a network 10 times bigger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by j17sparky View Post
    I see your point and agree with it in theory but in my case JE has been used as the perfect scapegoat to get out of paying more wages. The schools which value their employees have simply ignored the gradings set out by JE so in reality its only the people who were on really low wages who are winners, the rest of us are losers or at best stay the same.
    This says more about your employer than about the JE system, to be honest - if it worked like the Norfolk system, then the schools did a good proportion of the matching from generic Job Descriptions supplied by county. Perhaps they didn't (or didn't want to) appreciate everything you can do or have done. I don't mean to sound harsh or anything, but if you're that good, go find a job that does pay what you're worth. I managed to make the move to Network Manager after just under two years as a technician. You with four years experience shouldn't have any trouble.

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