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General Chat Thread, Dealing Students & Other Staff Split From Students and N in General; Originally Posted by tarquel Seems as if they can mess around as much as they like sometimes and certain individuals ...
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    Re: Students and Network Cables

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    Seems as if they can mess around as much as they like sometimes and certain individuals dont bother to do anything to stop them
    I was shouting at one of the little horrors today as he was about to pick a monitor up! The teacher didn't seem to care so I just walked over, shouted a bit and then made him go and sit in the corner away from all the computers. Public humiliation is great! :twisted:

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    Re: Students and Network Cables

    lol I agree - nothing is done here to prevent vandalism, thus cctv in computer rooms are a must in future i'd think

    Nath.

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    Re: Students and Network Cables

    Wasn't vandalism, as such, but one of the stupid little ***** messing about. I shouted at another member of that class when he persisted to bang the mouse on the desk after I asked him to stop.

    If the kids answer back (posh catchment area = arogance and cheek) that REALLY winds me up! :twisted:

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    If there's one thing that can REALLY get you going! LOL! Any sort of abuse really winds me up - I think eventually the teachers get the message and tell the kids off just coz they don't want me having a fit in thier classroom.

    I really lost it last year when a kid, annoyed at the speed of a particular web site slammed the PC case so it moved 18" across the table. As it happens this kid is from a comfortably off family too.

    Optical mice were a godsend - stopped the little idiots eating the rubber off the balls - they just chew through the cables now.

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    Re: Students and Network Cables

    It's all down to classroom management. The ICT "specialists" are quite good at managing classses, but cross-curricular ICT is a nightmare. Teachers without the slightest inkling of how to deliver ICT. No training whatsoever, just that arrogance that seems to be part and parcel of modern delivery of ICT. Had a teacher covering for a colleague who was off for an operation; nice girl but allowed her students to go crazy apeshit with the printers with the result that I now have two destroyed printers. When is it going to be mandatory to give ALL teachers some basic training in good practice in ICT?

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    Re: Students and Network Cables

    @ssimstar: Please stick a location in your profile and poss your job title (?)

    Should it not be the Netwok Manager's role to liaise with SLT to ensure that a certain level of INSET is given if you feel that it is needed?

    I know that it is hard to push this and it was nigh on impossible in my old job but where I am now, they are keen for me to take an active role in organising such systems and organising my job/environment in a way that suits me.

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    Re: Students and Network Cables

    Ric_ doesn't come halfway to the strong feelings I have about ICT comptence and staff training.

    We give you a laptop, so prove that there is a reason you need it, and that you can use it. We give you access to ICT to improve the learning of students, now prove that you can use it in your lessons ... if you can't then you need more training ... you will get it ... and you will attend ... and it will not be NOF, but something useful.

    Let's face it, you don't let anybody teach trampolining, though people may cover PE ... it should be the same with ICT ... babysitting is one thing, but actually making good use of the kit is another.

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    You're making very good sense guys. My head is keen for me to suggest training needs for staff. The SMT are amongst the worst offenders I fear, they scoff at news of staff being over dependant on myself, then call me to replace the ink on their inkjets.

    I think it's whole school direction in using IT seriously that's most needed, with aims and goals built into a set IT lesson structure that can avoid the basic errors highlighted above. But then that's more something the IT Co-ordinator and Head of IT should be promoting I think.

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    @mark: Don't even get me started on printing!

    I had my 3 month review on Monday and was told that the one criticism that people seem to have about me is that they can't contact me as and when they please. My line manager seemed pretty sympathetic, saying that it isn't expected that they can be contacted all the time.

    I pointed out that I receive numerous calls during the day where people simply don't leave a voicemail message - I can't fix something if they don't tell me it's broken! Does it not also show that I may be busy doing other stuff if I'm not available?

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    Re: Students and Network Cables

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    @mark: Don't even get me started on printing!

    I had my 3 month review on Monday and was told that the one criticism that people seem to have about me is that they can't contact me as and when they please. My line manager seemed pretty sympathetic, saying that it isn't expected that they can be contacted all the time.

    I pointed out that I receive numerous calls during the day where people simply don't leave a voicemail message - I can't fix something if they don't tell me it's broken! Does it not also show that I may be busy doing other stuff if I'm not available?
    I have a mobile ... pay as you go ... and had it when I was Network Manager too ... there are times when I am away from my desk for long periods ...

    Then again, there are a number of people that ring it because my landline is engaged and they want to speak to me is silly ...

    MY LANDLINE IS ENGAGED BECAUSE I AM USING IT .... I AM BUSY ... RINGING MY MOBILE WILL NOT CHANGE THIS!!!

    rant over.

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    Re: Students and Network Cables

    Seems alot of us have a mutual problem with this.

    Is there any way we can get the heads and SMT's to "wake up and smell the coffee" regarding this?

    I keep moaning at them and once, long ago, the deputy/ict co gave the teachers "as a whole" a telling-off regarding allowing the pupils to "roam-free" (mis-using the equipment and fiddling with the backs of the computers) and not stop them from doing it.

    I was quite impressed and I'm sure i wasnt particularly everyone's favourite member of staff after that for a while but it was all short lived unfortunately

    Again, its the newer staff that dont seem to have a "iron fist" with preventing them doing stuff and it drives me crazy. End of the day it isnt our job to tell the pupils off, thats part of the teachers job isn't? (sorry if I'm wrong here hehe) We certainly shouldn't need to do this I would have thought.

    I've been wonderng whether a name-and-shame process might be useful in that if a IT techie notices a teacher not prevent a pupil, say, fiddle with the back of the computer, or allowing them to swivel monitors about or bash the keyboard/mouse about, then its noted down and shown to the head/head of ICT, with intent that they are told about it in a staff meeting. I think everyone will pretty quickly stop the pupils from damaging equipment then.

    'Tis only a thought tho - no flaming me pls

    /rant over

    Regarding getting hold of me, I tell the suppliers/external contacts to call my (personal) mobile as I dont have a phone in my room, or any school mobile that I can use.

    It just annoys me that when the school call me, they leave a voice message which ends up costing me something like 50p/m which I have to listen to as the mobile keeps calling me to tell me its there lol

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    Re: Students and Network Cables

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    I had my 3 month review on Monday and was told that the one criticism that people seem to have about me is that they can't contact me as and when they please. My line manager seemed pretty sympathetic, saying that it isn't expected that they can be contacted all the time.
    Dont get me started! if you are one person looking after so much what do they expect!!!! Just because they cant get hold of you doesnt mean your sat down the pub or something. Im glad to see im not the only one but seriously anyone who thought that through for more than a split second would realise that one person who looks after so many PCs/Laptops/IWBs general teacher/student/SEN needs , Planning and arranging contractors and finding and arranging the purchase of new equipment on their own maybe a tad busy! Not to mention the constant going around replacing mice and keyboards just becasuse they have been smashed up in lessons.

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    Re: Students and Network Cables

    ... then they get annoyed that THEIR problem isn't fixed because they haven't left you a message on your voicemail after ringing 20 times in 10 minutes!

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    Re: Students and Network Cables

    Our phone system is so old we dont have voice mail so I brought in an old answer machine from home and the majority still dont leave messages

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    Re: Students and Network Cables

    We had a teacher who would constantly demand things to be done, the usual "i want it done..." by such and such a time, thing was when she wanted it done immediately it got done 3 weeks later. She soon learned.

    Some (not all!) teaching staff believe they are on a different level to us and I think it is good sometimes to bring them back to earth.

    If a teacher demands something make the b*ggers wait. They'll learn.

    As for moaning when they can't get hold of you, try doing it to them, ring the departmental phone 20 or so times during 10 minutes when you know they are teaching, see how they like it.

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