General Chat Thread, Looking to move to Europe from US in General; Hey all,
I am looking to move to Europe for a period of two to three years. Really I'd love ...
29th July 2008, 06:19 PM #1
Looking to move to Europe from US
I am looking to move to Europe for a period of two to three years. Really I'd love to travel on weekends and see the world. I would like to set up a job before I go. I'm wondering how to go about this and how possible this is in the first place. I know the "Europe" thing is vague, but really at this stage there isn't much preference on where, preference will really depend on opportunity. More about me below because I figure this will effect my marketability and you might need to know it before having a realistic response. I'm looking to move in about a year from now so it's not an urgent thing, just sort of feeling it out.
I have about three years experience (five if you count a part time helpdesk that had only about 50% to do with computers). I currently work in the United States in IT at a school district. I manage everything technical (VMware, File/Print (DFSR), backups(Symantec), active directory (multi-site, multi-dc), group policy, DHCP, DNS, write scripts for us, monitoring and alerting, and security auditing. Essentially the only things I don't do are exchange (looking to learn in the coming months), Cisco (though I am well versed in a lot of it), and the management side.
I am currently A+, and an MCP (Server 2k3, Active Directory) working quickly towards a MCSE: Security within the coming 12 months. I have a bachelors degree in business with emphasis in computer information systems.
Last edited by goaliepride; 29th July 2008 at 06:31 PM.
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29th July 2008, 06:26 PM #2
They've recently made it much more difficult to hire a non-uk citizen, they have to prove that they tried to give the job to a uk person first.
and you've picked the wrong time for bar jobs as all the students are on leave.
In my last job we had a bloke from Boston doing what you were doing and I know they are always looking for data recovery engineers. So if you are coming to Wales I could give you a name and address to send your CV.
Last edited by ChrisH; 29th July 2008 at 06:48 PM.
29th July 2008, 07:51 PM #3
Excellent idea! Obviously you might need some proficiency with languages other than English if you plan to go to a part of Europe that isn't the UK or Ireland.
Originally Posted by goaliepride
If moving to the UK, London is the obvious choice, but you can do a lot worse than Cambridge - lots of IT companies to work in, lovely city, and does actually have its own international airport for getting away at the weekends. Also, you have a direct train line to the Eurostar terminal at St. Pancreas and another train line connecting you to the ferries at Harwich. I've found that some Americans can be a little surprised at how long it sometimes takes to get different places around the country, especially considering that all the distances on the map look small to what you're generally used to at home - travelling accross London can take as long (heck, longer) as getting to France.
In the UK, universities give out degrees graded "first", "2:1", "2:2" and "third" rather than giving you a GPA, which can be a tad confusing, especially when you're trying to explain to employers what you're qualified in. A first is generally around a 3.6 GPA, I seem to remember (might have remembered that completely wrong - best look it up on Google).
I have a bachelors degree in business with emphasis in computer information systems.
You could, of course, try and arrange an exchange with someone - what part of the US do you live in, exactly?
29th July 2008, 07:55 PM #4
Good info about the GPA thing. I had a 3.0 or some such, though for actual chosen field classes it was around a 3.8 or some such.
I am from California, more specifically Long Beach. It's about an hour from L.A. (most people's California reference point).
do you guys know where to begin to look for jobs of this nature (shipped from the U.S.) is this desirable, do people look at people like me as a plus? Are there certain companies who work more with this situation?
Forgot to mention, but I really don't care if I work in education.
29th July 2008, 09:28 PM #5
Do you want semi-permanent work or short term contracts? The latter pays better (but doesn't have anything much in the way of job security)
You could look at the various IT recruitment agencies (there are some on here) or you could go to something like IT jobs, Developer jobs & Programmer job search: IT job board search - Computing Careers and see what they have. I don't have a lot of experience with agencies (other than those who constantly want to place staff with me) but I know some people find them good (but then some people like Marmite :-))
29th July 2008, 09:53 PM #6
I'll have to check into what I need for a long term work visa (as to if short term contracts would be fine or not). I'm looking for something relatively secure, I'm a hard worker and I know my stuff, so if it's a matter of feeling me out with hiring on based on performance, that would be fine with me.
I'll check into your link, thanks for sending one. I'll check into the recruiter thing too, it may be easier to have someone like that helping.
29th July 2008, 09:57 PM #7
I would give Speicalagent a message he is probably the best person on here to speak to regards to this. as he deals with recruitment etc
Special Agent Site: Special Agent The Specialist Recruiter Of Non-teaching Staff And Business Professionals For Education
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29th July 2008, 10:10 PM #8
I contacted special agent and am awaiting a response, thanks for the tip.
29th July 2008, 11:01 PM #9
You want to move from California to London. Hell I want to move the other way you want to swap? Seriously though I hope you know what you are getting yourself into! It is very very different to California in the UK, which is I guess why you want to move here.
Originally Posted by goaliepride
You sound like you have a good background in IT with some experience, you could probably get a job starting at $50,000 rising to around $100,000 if you can move up. You have to bear in mind that your salary will not go as far in the UK. Ok we have free health care (NHS), but you will have to pay high taxes - income tax 20% basic rate, 40% higher rate, National Insurance contributions as well, VAT (sales tax) on anything you buy at 17.5%, Council Tax (property tax) at likely $2000 a year. Gas at $10+ a gallon and most things are priced in £ as they would be in $ so that's twice the price as well. Oh and the weather generally sucks.
Hope I'm not putting you off they are many good points to the UK (and europe) and it would certainly be good to stay here for a while!
29th July 2008, 11:12 PM #10
Haha that was a very discouraging post! California is wonderful for the most part! it's not all baywatch here, but I did go scuba diving this weekend in clear blue water and saw some lobsters, eels, etc so I guess it is like the movies =). If you have any questions feel free to email me at mlevineisme at gmail .
Your reply was realistic though. I'm unsure if I would be receiving healthcare for free and paying those taxes as I'm technically not a citizen, but it could very well be. Really I don't plan on building my fortune or anything, just living cheap, traveling a lot, and seeing the world.
I'm not really sure if the UK is right for me, I'm just looking into living in Europe. As I have frequented these forums for the past six months or so (found it by random accident) I figured this would be a good group to ask.
I feel compelled to say I'm coming back because I love the US, but when I think about it.... it's kind of a screwy thing to say/feel when you haven't gone many other places. It always strikes me that going to different countries in Europe is a drive away (or well, I guess you guys actually have public transport worth taking) much like going to different states in the USA.
Last edited by goaliepride; 29th July 2008 at 11:25 PM.
29th July 2008, 11:25 PM #11
Sorry I am not trying to put you off, your can totally live cheaply and have fun here, I would try renting a room with some other young professionals / students / travellers can prob find this on the net at somewhere like Gumtree.com and get a temp job in a bar or perhaps IT contracting if you can, when you get bored just go and move to another country / city. Not sure how easy it is to find work without the right visa, but you might avoid tax that way . Even the cities in the UK are quite different to each other, I recommend visiting Scotland for a change and you will be fine in UK, Ireland and much of Europe only speaking English. You will find most (all?) of the UK to be quite cosmopolitan with people from all over Europe and the rest of the world living and working here so I'm sure people will be friendly to you. I'm pretty sure that anyone who comes here gets free healthcare (yay!) and has to pay the various taxes though (boo!).
Originally Posted by goaliepride
Gumtree.com: UK's No. 1 in classifieds - jobs, property, cars and more
Europe travel guide - Wikitravel
Britain for Americans
Britain - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia
(these last two are jokes do not pay any attention to them!)
Last edited by somabc; 29th July 2008 at 11:47 PM.
29th July 2008, 11:32 PM #12
good links, I will most definitely check them out when I get some time this weekend!
I hear you really don't get a long term visa without a rock solid job, that's really the main reason I want to find something before I go rather than after. If I'm wrong I'd love to hear it though .
30th July 2008, 10:52 PM #13
Is anyone on these forums US born and moved after they started their career?
31st July 2008, 10:29 AM #14
I wish you all the luck in finding what you want here. Me I'm looking to go the other and emigrate to the USA within the next year or so as I'm marrying my girlfriend who lives out there
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