But I'm sure they will show restraint with their MP allowances that are coming up.
But I'm sure they will show restraint with their MP allowances that are coming up.
Hopefully it will be resolved and we won't have to strike (I'm trying to be optimistic today!!)
If 800,000 local govt workers all walk out on strike for 2 days it will be a 'gesture' that will have little or no long term impact. Unison will never get this level of action anyway as so many people in the union simply cannot afford to lose 2 days wages, especially where more than one wage earner in a household works in the public sector.
The union needs to nominate a much smaller number of key workers who can 'cripple' public services and call them out, being prepared for long-term action if necessary & have the rest of the union members fund strike pay so the strikers suffer no hardship. Then we might get a positive result.
For starters I would go for staff involved in LA finance, especially those involved in collecting Council tax, rent etc to impact council cashflow. I am sure there are others.....
Just look what a few tanker drivers achieved?
Typical I voted in response to the GMB request to accept the pay offer as last year I voted to not accept it but unison did as did most GMB members so it got accepted.
While I think it's not really fair to students (although they would say otherwise!) I think a strike action is right. Afterall, the government seem pretty hell bent on driving local government staff into poverty, it's about time such staff remind the government just how important they are and that they are really worth more.
At any rate, if prices keep rising as they do and wages do not, people will be forced to do jobs that are not in local government (i.e. leave for a private company) and that will be far more damaging for schools than a mere 2 days off.
Unfortunately there is one problem here that is overlooked and that is local town and county are massively over staffed and there isn't any money to pay for it unless taxes are increased. It’s perceived in the public sector that people in industry are getting big pay increases which isn’t true (in general) so people in industry don’t want to see another tax rise to fund what they see as local government waste. The only way to achieve across the board pay increases currently is to lay off the excess staff.
Alt, my way would be to fight for stepped pay awards with the lowest earners awarded bigger pay rises than higher earners, any higher earners that moan I’d point out that it's that or higher taxes which do you prefer. Tough love
I do agree with not striking in schools but 'most' local government staff don't work in schools.
but where does the increased money come from..?
Tax. So what will go up? Tax. If not, what will get cut back to provide the cash? Services..
Hmm. Face it, we're broke. The Gov't are brassic. Coffers are empty. Economy on a 1 way trip off a cliff. Shouting "Payrise" will hasten the end, mark my words.
I'd love a payrise after 8 years and countless new responsibilities and job roles..but it's not going to happen until we go to the new building I'd say..
Most people spend far more than they need and have far more than they require for living..Sky/cable/expensive kit/plasma TVs/fags/booze - it's all luxury items.
I'm on 13k. I've been on that wage since I started. The missus is on something similar. We're renting at 550/PCM (not including council tax and all that guff), and yet with careful budgeting and living within our means, and making do with older/cheaper kit..we're financially unbothered at this time.
It'd be nice to be paid more, but I'm not going to go crying because every other idiot wants a payrise or has had one..if people learned budgeting and thrift, they could manage far easier.
Sorry - I can't help but rant sometimes...screaming "I want a payrise" is SOMETIMES justifiable..but just to "keep up with the joneses"..? No.
I don't think the police or tanker drivers should have had the increase. I don't think MPs should be paid any more than we are. I think councils, schools, businesses..in fact most of what I see should be taken to task over spending, waste, and sheer idiocy in finance, and I think this country has developed into a whingy, greedy mess.
I agree (to an extent) either it's a payrise for the lower earners or non this year, simply handing out more money will only fuel inflation and next year and we'll be back to square one. The best advice is to wait and see it the inflation problem is short term, if payrises stimulate inflation then the BOE will raise interest rates then people will realy feel it.
I dont see it as overstaffing as the problem, but more that there is too many staff who are rubbish at their job. Instead of being made redundant for not being able to do the job they have been employed to do, they are moved to another department where it becomes someone elses problem.
This leaves lots of people doing more work than they are employed to do and as a result they are being underpaid. The process of Job Evaluation was supposed to address this, but from my experience, its just been a cost cutting exercise.
Personally rather than work out how much of a rise people should get, I would have liked a proper Job Evaluation done where the poeple who do more than their contract get their pay scale adjusted up. The people who do less, get lowered. This to me would have made more sense that working out if 2.4% is enough.
You could make the county performance review system pay related like in industry, hit your targets get a pay rise then it might be less of a waste of time.
I still think that there is an overstaffing issue i used to live in a town with a county council headquarters and over the last 10 years almost every building in town has been taken over by it, they had a massive building to start with and now have almost double the office space. I don't see double the service.
They also need to reign in sickness levels i know a couple of people who work for county HR and they say the levels of staff off at any time are obscene (near NHS levels), this is a massive WASTE of taxpayers money as most counties don't have a policy to properly address the issue some are now implementing back to work interviews but not all.
Last edited by cookie_monster; 24th June 2008 at 12:03 PM.
Heh..sorry for anything you disagree with...I'm just feeling a tad ranty and fed up with the whole general cockup that is UK of late.
We're taxed off our tits, yet they spend money like it's going out of fashion. How much goes on improving things? Not much that's visible. How much goes on payrises for london "out of touch" government idiots, into the pockets of councils who in my view are not run by people with common sense, into "traffic management", urban regeneration, arty-farty TWB projects and other damnfool moneysinks...too much.
Look at BSF, and if I annoy anyone here, I'm very sorry, but this is my view..
I approve of the new buildings bit..we need those. Ditto new equipment, and new facilities. Everything cycles, and education has changed out of recognition in 40-50 years. We need to keep on the edge of that, or we're useless. So I approve of that aspect.
I do NOT approve of the idiot outsourcing to 1 company and removing schools local support staff..it is NOT the Gov'ts place to "micro manage" everything..they do it with Hospitals, schools, everything..they need to back off, and wind their necks and spending in.
We've got far too lazy in the last 20+ years..far too used to the cushy life, decent pay, cheap everything, and waste generation due to convenience and "self improvement". We've wound down this country and outsourced everything, we've encouraged the welfare state and benefit claimants, we've encouraged people to look for the "easy option" instead of taking responsibility.
We've made our bed. Now we have to lie in it. Our grandparents managed it..they had less, it wasn't easy, but they coped..now it's cycled round again..can we cope?
EDIT: Yes, I agree with overstaffing in some places..and I agree with the performance review bit. Too many overpaid people, too many people not paid enough. Even it out. Proper perfomance management and all that. We have a PRP system here...sort of. Works well.
Last edited by Sirbendy; 24th June 2008 at 12:08 PM.
Take the offer and run, 2.45% in April is better than 4% in January that is not backdated to April.
I wonder how many people would be complaining that the government are incompetent if they had said: "Have a 10% pay rise, because it will stabilise the economy." You would know it was a lie but I bet there wouldn't have been a strike called.
Yet when they say "Have a 2.45% pay rise, because it will stabilise the economy" they are roundly criticised as not having a clue, being out of touch, their own salaries called into question and everyone wants to strike. Yet we all know that it probably will help the economy stabilise, even at our own expense. That sounds suspiciously like greed to me.
Where is the money going to come from as someone mentioned the gov is flat broke. Tax increases on petrol maybe? No, politically too volatile. Increased tax on low earners? tried that and it failed. Increases tax on high earners? They will go somewhere else and take their companies with them so we end up with less money. That leaves us with.........redundancies, that means those support staff who appear to be doing nothing in school, hey they sit at a desk all day fiddling with computers. We don't need them. P45 anyone?
The economy is going nuts and it will bite us all before it gets better, striking is not going to help anyone, just sticking our heads above the parapet waiting for the turkey shoot. Those firemen have got such a good deal from all that striking.........
I totally agree with you on this matter.
I blame Margaret Thatcher and the tories for turning everyone into greedy, i am better than you cos i have a four wheel drive and a 5 bedroom house that i purchased through my mortgage by borrowing ridiculous amounts of money from the bank or building society leaving me with negative equity and now the greedy banks want to up the interest rate and i can't afford the repayments oh what am i to do?
the answer is to get real as Sirbendy has said (really feel for ya M8) stop whinging and moaning as it does no good.
Of course the system is unfair as all of you would agree but we voted for this government and look what they are doing to us so we only have ourselves to blame.
really got me mad now hehe
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