speckytecky (12th June 2008)
BBC NEWS | Politics | David Davis 'is to resign as MP'
speckytecky (12th June 2008)
Yet another cynical stunt by the Tory Party. Are they going to go round trying to drum up more by-elections now?
The real problem is that all the mainstream parties are moving more to the centre ground. Davis doing this because he's against keeping suspected terrorists locked up for longer? That's very much a liberal/left-wing move. With the Tory's moving more to the centre ground, and people becoming more disillusioned over immigration etc., it leaves the country without a right-of-centre voice. Then people wonder why the BNP is getting more support?
This country needs a viable right-wing opposition before we get run any more into the ground!
You need a good opposition for a democracy, not necessarily right wing or left wing - just a good one !! [ Which both the Tories and Lib Dems arn't ]This country needs a viable right-wing opposition before we get run any more into the ground!
Indeed - Just the nature of politics generally means you need a party on each side of the spectrum.
Labour should not put up a candidate, then they can show the whole thing is a pointless charade. If the tories and lib-dems are not putting one up then why should they bother?
Last edited by sparkeh; 12th June 2008 at 04:14 PM.
On the whole the feedback has been a positive one in favour of Davis stand....it's a personal one made on the back of his strong conviction that labour coerced rebel mp's into voting in favour...as it was they relied on the DUP to get them home.
i would say the charade has been the labour govt. we've had for the last 10 years who have swept every debatable issue under the carpet....from tuition fees to iraq and now to id cards and 42 days.
General Election 2005: Haltemprice and Howden
Conservative David Davis 22,792 Votes 47.5% of the vote +4.3% swing
Labour Edward Hart 6,104 Votes 12.7% of the vote –3.0% swing
Turnout 48,029 Votes 70.1% of electorate +4.3% increase on 2001 election
BBC NEWS | Politics | David Davis resigns from Commons
Shadow attorney general Dominic Grieve, who will take over as shadow home secretary, rubbished reports the Tory leadership was split on the issue and said a future Conservative government would repeal it.
He said he would be campaigning for Mr Davis in the by-election - but added it would be Mr Davis' own personal campaign and he would receive no financial support from Tory HQ.
Last edited by somabc; 12th June 2008 at 04:48 PM.
It will work like this -
Davis stands as independent, Labour fields candidate and we spent weeks in the newspapers discussing the (single) issue, making Labour look bad.
Davis wins election (for his own safe tory seat remember) rejoins conservative party after a suitable period of time (ie when the press stops paying attention) This will not affect the bill passed last night. If the conservative party wants to stop it being passed they should be using the House of Lords, not throwing their dummy out the pram in a massive waste of taxpayers money. The whole point of the House of Lords is to provide oversight when the commons decides to pass daft laws such as this one.
Last edited by somabc; 12th June 2008 at 04:38 PM.
We only need to look at this current Gov to see "a massive waste of taxpayers money".
No one complained when Martin Bell did it.
penfold_99 (12th June 2008)
The only way that comparison would hold up would be if you had say Shami Chakrabarti (Director of Liberty) run against Gordon Brown in the next election to highlight the violations of Human Rights by this Government.
Last edited by somabc; 12th June 2008 at 04:53 PM.
as for the waste of money charge, we've had a decade of incomprehensible waste on a national scale. I hardly think New Labour apologists should be using the 'taxpayers money' charge against a campaign, in the case of David Davis' own camapaing, that will be privately funded.
I haven't checked the news for an hour so i was unaware that he was standing as an independent, but it makes sense if it's an issue of personal conviction.
The whole point about the vote was that it wasn't a vote of consience....labour whips were doing there upmost to ensure there were as few rebel mp's as possible, ministers themselves effectively tried to bribe their way out of an embarrassment with so-called 'concessions'.
Civil liberties is an issue at the next election, but pursuing an agenda that appears to be tough on terrorism through policies that have questionable impact on reducing the threat of a terrorist atrocity is not the way to go about getting votes.....it's almost as if the broon govt. is using the bush technique of 'well, we're crap in every other aspect of domestic and foreign policy, let's scare people witless and give the illusion of being tough on terror through measures that are either unnecessary'
Labours focus on the 42 days is straight out of the 'How to lose friends and not influence people' book (Authors D. Rumsfeld, G.W Bush, T. Blair).......
...it's the clearest sign yet of a govt. that knows the economy isn't going to improve to dig them out of the financial hole they've dug themselves into, they're looking in totally the wrong areas for ways to reverse their fortunes.
how bizarre that they seem to be so proactive with this whereas on the real issues that concern people such as the economy they seem to have very little to say other than the mantra of 'global conditions'.
Good luck to davis, let's hope the media give the campaign the attention it deserves.
btw i've not read anything about David davis standing as an independent, somabc, i think he'll stand as a tory.
Last edited by torledo; 12th June 2008 at 05:25 PM.
I watched the live speech on TV outside the commons, they wouldn't let him address the house as he resigned. It looked genuine i'm not his biggest fan but i think he really feels about this issue so i think and hope you're wrong.This has nothing to do with the 42 day issue! It is merely a publicity stunt.
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