Unless you haven't hear there is to be teachers strike on the 24th April over pay, and in particular starting pay levels.
BBC NEWS | Education | Teachers vote to hold pay strike
I find some of the arguments being used by the NUT as not very valid. Their argument is below.
And from The BBC News site they show this:"Young teachers need to be treated fairly. Paying them at levels which are not competitive with those of other graduate professions and making them unable to take even their first step on the housing ladder will damage recruitment."
The thing is that the big companies offering those wages are probably large blue chip oragnisations, banks and engineering giants after the top 5% of skilled graduates. Not all graduates would expect to earn anything like that in their first few years and teachers pay rapidly increases to a good level after a few years anyway.GRADUATE STARTING PAY
Big employers in the Association of Graduate Recruiters survey for 2008: £24,000
Teacher in England (outside London) and Wales, Sept. 2008: £20,627
London Inner/Outer/Fringe teacher: £25,000/£24,000/£21,619
Teacher in Scotland, April 2008: £20,427
Are the teachers right to demand more money?
Support staff were offered 2.2%, less than the 2.45% that teachers were offered.
I bet that if teachers roles and responsibilities were evaluated using hte same criteria that support staff are evaluated, the teachers would end up starting on about 15k.
bossman (2nd April 2008)
1) The starting salary for a new teacher isn't that far off the survey you reference.
2) Public Sector workers get paid less than Private Sector workers. Rightly or wrongly, it's how it's always been.
3) They can quickly build up their pay by taking on additional responsibility for bursaries and TLRs.
4) Although it's an old one - They get a heck of a lot of holiday. The NUT laugh and say "O, that the old false joke isn't it". Problem is, it's not. Yes, teachers do work outside of 8.30 to 3.30 - they do do marking and lesson planning outside of school time. However, not to the extent they portray. Many other professions take work home. I certainly do!
5) They don't work a full day, with the exception of the odd after school meeting or parents evening, most are out the building by 4pm. Any other profession is the same as well.
6) They claim they need the time off because of the "stress". Sorry, teaching is no more stressful than any other job of a comparable nature.
7) Lets give fire fighters & nurses fair pay first - they're saving peoples lives.
8) If you want to give public sector "fair pay", do it for everyone, that includes paying people like us a wage equal to our skills!
Would they by any chance by the highly skilled type of role? Engineering? IT? Do all graduates have these skills? I doubt it, and they would earn less than a teachers starting wage.
My point is that house prices should not dictate wage levels. No more than baked beans do. They are a consumer item. A vital one, but an item non the less. Teachers in the north here can afford houses, even after a couple of years teaching. Market forces do dictate wage levels, but only when it comes to in demand skills.
CAM (3rd April 2008)
IME quality teachers do a full day and more - they spend time in the evenings finalising their plans for the next day and they spend time at weekends planning the week ahead and they spend time in the holidays planning the 1/2 term.Yes, teachers do work outside of 8.30 to 3.30 - they do do marking and lesson planning outside of school time. However, not to the extent they portray. ...
5) They don't work a full day, with the exception of the odd after school meeting or parents evening, most are out the building by 4pm.
I think to do a good job as a teacher demands it. (as that's what I see good teachers doing anyway)
This is based on working in 15 schools (inc one secondary) in the last 5 years or so and seeing the variation (and being called out Sunday afternoons to get their PCs back working for planning )
BTW all a poll has been added by Dos_box so vote away people
Simple really, if they think they're hard done by because they earn less then someone in the private sector, they should get out of teaching and get a private sector job.
Oops_my_bad (14th April 2008)
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