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General Chat Thread, Flame for IT has gone out. in General; You are not wrong. I don't mind on some favours (I helped a neighbour build his shed, in return I ...
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    You are not wrong. I don't mind on some favours (I helped a neighbour build his shed, in return I got some beers etc). But some try to take the mick a bit.

    Example

    3 weeks ago, my brothers brother-in-law (his mrs brother) asked if I could help with their garden, you know, design and help with the work. Said ok, went to the garden (was an overgrown mess), and got measurements. I designed the garden for him, he was happy with the design, but when I said I would have to charge to do it because of the work that would be needed to just cut the grass, remove the brambles etc, he was annoyed and thought I'd do it for free.

    Carpentry is fine for the most part as people tend to pay for what I make, and because I enjoy it, using a lathe, or plane by hand to do benches etc it is a fun exercise for me. But some people try to get things for free. If I work on something and I don't get paid, I keep whatever I've made until they pay for it (they have 2 weeks) or it goes on the local facebook selling page with them tagged in on the post.

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    Personally I think entering IT was a mistake. I love fixing computers which is why I went into it. But as you move onto more complex stuff it's all figures and numbers and software. Bores me to death. So i think its not for me.I don't like how tech is taking over life and really shun it outside of work.

    These days tech is too integrated into life. If a portal appeared leading back to 1959 I would step straight into it. People say times were harder then but there were far more options for hands on skilled work, and life was more simple so I'm told. I just fear in 20 years time we will all be drones living in virtual worlds never leaving the house.

    Maybe I will join the Amish lol

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    I can understand your feelings about technology.

    The way that technology (social media in particular) has gotten its tentacles all wrapped around the lives of the average person is appalling to me. When I go out to a birthday party or dinner just about everyone adults and kids alike end up spending more time on a tablet or phone or portable game console of some sort than they do in conversation with one another. The last two parties/dinners I've been out to there was me and my MIL who were the odd ones out not engrossed in a game or facebook, etc. The amount of time being wasted by the average person on pretty much worthless or addictive uses of technology is unbelievable. I'm convinced we are seeing the start of something that is or will develop into a serious mental illness or at the very least excessive narcissistic, anti-social, and addictive behaviours.

    In recent months, I have deleted my Facebook and Twitter accounts and cancelled my home internet service in my backlash against it all. I have a 4G dongle that I turn on when I really need the internet away from work. I lost my mobile phone over a week ago (it was taken actually when I left it somewhere by accident), and you know what I haven't missed it in the slightest. Has nothing to do with what phone it was (4 years old in this case) - I just don't miss being always on and "connected". If I do replace it, and at this point I probably won't, it will likely be with the most basic phone I can find that can only text and make calls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seawolf View Post
    People aren't really more savvy these days, they just think they are. A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing...
    ^^^^^^ Exactly this - I found out quickly that there is a heck of a lot of stuff I don't know or am not familiar with and need to learn a lot lot more which is one of the main reasons for joining edugeek as a lot of others on here who are very knowledgeable and helpful, no doubt some in there own area's of expertise

    I'm not bored of IT however I do find that having to deal with the same thing's over and over again and doing something you used to enjoy as a hobby and now having to do it as a job / work etc does take the fun out of it and maybe just me but makes it a bit more mundane / not as fun as IT related things used to be

    When your hobby becomes your job, you need a new hobby ( I think that is the saying I have heard and must admit that it's 99% true )

    Probably not said the above correctly but basically trying to say that IT was more fun when it wasn't a job and you weren't being pestered for things being broken or not working etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by seawolf View Post
    I can understand your feelings about technology.

    The way that technology (social media in particular) has gotten its tentacles all wrapped around the lives of the average person is appalling to me. When I go out to a birthday party or dinner just about everyone adults and kids alike end up spending more time on a tablet or phone or portable game console of some sort than they do in conversation with one another. The last two parties/dinners I've been out to there was me and my MIL who were the odd ones out not engrossed in a game or facebook, etc. The amount of time being wasted by the average person on pretty much worthless or addictive uses of technology is unbelievable. I'm convinced we are seeing the start of something that is or will develop into a serious mental illness or at the very least excessive narcissistic, anti-social, and addictive behaviours.
    I know what you mean there. I was flying home from holiday on Saturday. There was a young man in the row across and in front of me, must have been about 20-21ish. Literally, as soon as the wheels hit the tarmac he whipped his phone out and got straight onto Facebook. The plane hadn't even finished taxiing to the terminal at that point! Then in the queue at customs, everyone was fiddling with their phones and not paying attention to where they were walking. What's so important?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norphy View Post
    I know what you mean there. I was flying home from holiday on Saturday. There was a young man in the row across and in front of me, must have been about 20-21ish. Literally, as soon as the wheels hit the tarmac he whipped his phone out and got straight onto Facebook. The plane hadn't even finished taxiing to the terminal at that point! Then in the queue at customs, everyone was fiddling with their phones and not paying attention to where they were walking. What's so important?
    This is the exact reason I left FaceBook, causes more problems than it solves. I don't want to be another mindless drone staring at his phone constantly because that is how everyone is? The other day I grabbed a coffee in a bar while I was in Manchester, I didn't have a clue where I was, I was trying to get to the train station. There where a group of boys and girls sitting at a coffee table not speaking to one another, I went over and asked for directions. They looked at me as if I just murdered a cat......

    People need to get out of this circle where every other second you look down at your phone and forget everything else around you! It really worries me how much time especially Teenagers and young children are spending on social networking platforms, online games and the rest of the package!!!

    It's a huge shame that society now will look at you like you're a freak if you decide to speak up to someone rather than sitting on a mobile phone.

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    Agreed on the above, when we head out for a meal with the work bunch we stack mobiles.

    All phones in a stack, first to pluck their phone pays for a round of drinks. Just this weekend I had a bit of a spat with a lady that ignored me trying to enter a park gate with a pram as she stood there gorming at her phone completely oblivious.

    Don't get me started on those absolute clowns (approx 2 out of 10 drivers I pass) texting whilst driving.

    Worrying times.

    Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by abillybob View Post
    It really worries me how much time especially Teenagers and young children are spending on social networking platforms, online games and the rest of the package!!!

    You're worried about how much time youngsters spend socialising?

    How is communicating with people on the other side of the world, with a completely different culture to you, a bad thing?


    Also, how is it a bad thing that people use their near instantaneous access to information to learn/experience new things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    You're worried about how much time youngsters spend socialising?

    How is communicating with people on the other side of the world, with a completely different culture to you, a bad thing?


    Also, how is it a bad thing that people use their near instantaneous access to information to learn/experience new things?
    If only that is what they were actually doing. No, they are too often using technology to communicate with people that are in the same room as they are. And, what good is it to artificially socialise with people on the other side of the world at the cost of learning how to socialise with someone face to face.

    Then there are things like Snapchat, Wickr, Yik Yak, Streetchat, Ask.fm and piles of other apps and services that seem to have an almost singular purpose of providing teens ways to get themselves into some serious trouble and enabling bullying and sexting in a big way.

    Technology has a lot of pros as well, but I've seen a great too many negative impacts on kids and society as a whole the last couple of years to think what is happening is a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    How is communicating with people on the other side of the world, with a completely different culture to you, a bad thing?
    When playing COD online are you asking the French man what its like to live in France and has he ever eaten different kind of cheeses? No you're saying "Pew Pew, Die Motha", Also how often do you hear of someone making friends with people outside their peer group on FaceBook (& this is where someone gives a boring statistic blah blah with a link to every page on the internet dedicated to prove me wrong) well lets just say this much more rarely, most people use FaceBook to interact with peers they already know physically, so either way I don't think the main cause of the Users of these services is too find out about other cultures.

    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    Also, how is it a bad thing that people use their near instantaneous access to information to learn/experience new things?
    I'm not saying the internet is bad, their are very good informative and helpful websites they will enable people to learn and further their knowledge in different fields, I am all for the internet. The bit I can't stand is the "addiction" if you want to call it that, where people spend hours and hours a day on their mobile phones rather than learning to communicate with others that are physically around them, once or twice.... fine. 5 times in 5 minutes errrrrr..... bit excessive, it's also quite rude, I can't stand talking to someone mid-sentence for them to tell me to shush they have got a text or completely not listen because they're too engrossed in the plastic touch screen device in their hands and it's these kind of people that I believe will find it harder to interact with others physically and won't be as successful with job interviews etc...

    I am genuinely interested in why you said 'experience new things' because my definition on that would be to go out, sight see, meet new people, do fun physical activities, try new foods etc... not sitting on a computer and typing in Niagara Falls into Google images and think you have just experienced something new!

    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    You're worried about how much time youngsters spend socialising?
    Socialising is not the issue here, yes I understand that when talking to someone online you're socialising but in my opinion not in the same way. As a child I used to go out on my bike, make dens in the wood, do stupid silly things that I think every child should do as part of a childhood and helping you learn, this will not happen if all you do is go home and logon to Steam for the night and go to bed straight after. You will have a pretty bleak childhood if all they've done is stare at screens and I think adults play a major part, when they look at mummy and daddy on their phones 24/7 they think it's normal and will copy, I personally think as a parent you should be showing your children to be Pro-Active, Confident and enjoy life rather than just handing them an iPad and saying "See you in a month".

    Just my opinion anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abillybob View Post
    When playing COD online are you asking the French man what its like to live in France and has he ever eaten different kind of cheeses? No you're saying "Pew Pew, Die Motha"
    [Just replying to this... cos I'm on my phone and that was really long.]

    I do neither. Because I don't play CoD.

    Though I have talked about Germany with Germans on Assassin's Creed multiplayer.

    And talked about various other countries/faiths with people in other countries on the face books. [Before I gave up on it and deleted it.]

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    [Just replying to this... cos I'm on my phone and that was really long.]

    I do neither. Because I don't play CoD.

    Though I have talked about Germany with Germans on Assassin's Creed multiplayer.

    And talked about various other countries/faiths with people in other countries on the face books. [Before I gave up on it and deleted it.]
    Haha - Me Neither pfft COD.... It's all about Rust, DayZ and Counterstrike

    I think then yes in some cases you as an adult may ask people and be interested in that kind of topic, I have also met two lads from Manchester both who I play Rust with, got on really well and eventually met up with them for a night out, as I say not all of it is wrong and it depends on the person, though I do think in the majority of cases this happens rarely and children in particular are not playing video games to ask about other people culture or background!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkaline View Post
    I have worked in IT for over six years now, but since late last year I just find it worthless. I have tried changing jobs into a different sector but its still the same. It just bores me to death. Don't know why, one day it just happened. I am now rude to people, have no patience for solving issues, and dread each day. Any creativity and passion I had in the past, is just gone. Also noticed I just have a devil may care attitude. Its all a bit weird, If I was older I would think its a mid life crisis but I am only in my mid 20's.

    This ever happened to anyone else?
    Are you me? I am damn good at my job & could easily go further in my career if I tried but I've reached this "meh" phase. I'm 27 and I'm thinking.. is this what I want to do with the rest of my life? I've done it for at least 10 years now.
    I want to do something different, but I'm not sure what. So I'm in this "holding" phase. I fully understand what you mean by "devil may care" attitude
    I love technology, but at the same time I don't.
    when we head out for a meal with the work bunch we stack mobiles.
    All phones in a stack, first to pluck their phone pays for a round of drinks
    Yup... I met a group of new people in a bar a few weeks ago & everyone sat around staring at their mobiles. One girl was having an argument with her BF, another was playing candy crush. Some of the guys were reading sports pages but none of us were talking.
    I picked all the phones up, dumped them in the middle of the table - First one to look buys a round. Within 5 minutes conversation was flowing, tons of laughter & it ended up being a fantastic day that went on wayyy late into the evening.

    I am guilty of this myself, but truthfully the best nights have been when I *don't* have a phone to escape shyness. We're all in danger of hiding in our shells, talking to lots of people online but never really "talking" & ending up feeling alone.
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    I feel lucky that I was able to grow up to the age of 18 without iPhones and tablets existing. So I knew what it was like before any of it. Sure people still looked down at their phones to text and email, but not to the same extent as they do now.

    Its the generations (generation Z) that have been born since mobiles/computers were the average thing, ie everyone has one that I worry about. When I was a kid PC's were crap with 56k internet, and you had to be lucky to have your own for me at least. I know its not that long ago, but it has changed so much since then.

    They have never know a world without them. God knows how they will live without them.

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