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General Chat Thread, Cabinet Reshuffle Time! in General; Originally Posted by localzuk But if everyone votes how they truly feel, the makeup of parliament would be more balanced. ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    But if everyone votes how they truly feel, the makeup of parliament would be more balanced. The government in power would have to be a coalition, sure, but I don't see a problem with that - I'm a fan of proportional representation. Not to mention, loads of countries have coalition governments every election anyway, and they don't implode. Germany's government is a coalition of multiple parties, for example.

    If people spent time and actually looked at policies before every election and chose according to those policies, they might make things different.
    but the literature dosent give you policies its all spin and hard to drill down to the meat of them through the miles of waffle and not to mention since when does a parties manifesto actually mean antything they just say the situation is worse than they thought blame the last guy and then do whatever they want anyeay. until they are properly accountable so they set out measurable promises and can be recalled if the dont make good they can promise you the world and give you the silly isles

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    Quote Originally Posted by sted View Post
    but the literature dosent give you policies its all spin and hard to drill down to the meat of them through the miles of waffle and not to mention since when does a parties manifesto actually mean antything they just say the situation is worse than they thought blame the last guy and then do whatever they want anyeay. until they are properly accountable so they set out measurable promises and can be recalled if the dont make good they can promise you the world and give you the silly isles
    Depends on the party. Some parties give very clear policies... Monster Raving Loonies are very clear with their policies, for example. As are the Greens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Depends on the party. Some parties give very clear policies... Monster Raving Loonies are very clear with their policies, for example. As are the Greens.
    If I remember correctly, Pirate Party are pretty clear as well.

    But they're a single-focus party...

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    If I remember correctly, Pirate Party are pretty clear as well.

    But they're a single-focus party...
    and as a reult a wasted vote other than to say to the other parties "you suck"

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    Quote Originally Posted by sted View Post
    and as a reult a wasted vote other than to say to the other parties "you suck"
    So everyone should vote for Con/Lab/Lib because everyone votes for Con/Lab/Lib?

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    If only there were some way to vote for alternatives, allowing votes for smaller parties to be made without them feeling like a wasted vote. I'm sure you could come up with some kind of mathematically superior system that we could have a referendum on. I suppose if did, though, we'd need the Yes campaign to actually turn up and do some bloody campaigning.

    /not bitter
    Last edited by sonofsanta; 15th July 2014 at 02:32 PM. Reason: *wasted vote, not waster vote, which is when you democracy under the influence

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    If I remember correctly, Pirate Party are pretty clear as well.

    But they're a single-focus party...
    Green aren't single focus. They have a wide range of policies. Monster Raving Loonies are pretty far ranging too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    If I remember correctly, Pirate Party are pretty clear as well.

    But they're a single-focus party...
    That's because they've got a patch over one eye!

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    Quote Originally Posted by localzuk View Post
    Green aren't single focus. They have a wide range of policies. Monster Raving Loonies are pretty far ranging too!
    I'm talking about PP.

    They're very internet oriented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevieM View Post
    That's because they've got a patch over one eye!
    Cabinet Reshuffle Time!-1405431504114.jpg.

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    The Greens are the only party I will (and do) vote for when I get the chance - i.e. European elections, which are also PR so I know my vote is actually counted. Any other time, I always spoil my ballot paper.

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    My problem with the Greens (apart from no candidates in Lincolnshire) is that they don't support nuclear power, which forces us into a continued reliance on fossil fuels and all in all seems to be a short-sighted policy doing more harm than good right now. Nuclear fission isn't perfect, but it's a more pragmatic choice than anything else capable of meeting our energy needs right now. Wind is too unreliable, wave and geothermal don't work in the UK, and solar isn't efficient enough yet, and the manufacturing process does so much harm it cancels out all the good anyway.

    There's also rumblings of institutional anti-Semitism, although as far as I'm concerned that's not much different from all the other discrimination going on throughout politics.

    Anyway, none of this actually matters to me, because the Conservatives could put a dead duck up for election in this county and still get the seat. I'd probably get more response from a dead duck than Sir Peter Tapsell, actually. As I said in another thread recently, all he needs to do to keep his seat is eat, breathe and poop, and some days it seems that's all he does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-13 View Post
    So everyone should vote for Con/Lab/Lib because everyone votes for Con/Lab/Lib?
    if its a party that have one policy yes

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    I said this in another thread but politics can be summed up thus:
    (assuming you get on with all your family)
    Labour will kill your aunts
    Cons will kill your uncles
    Lib Dems will kill your cousins
    Everyone else will say they won't but realistically they would have no choice.

    Please vote now to pick your family's fate.

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    I vote locally - that is, I chose the best local MP - she's a Lib Dem as it happens and has been in for quite a long time. She is brilliant for both local and national issues affecting us.
    As for the new Education Minister - what bothers me is that Cameron cant think either education, women's issues or equality are very important if he thinks one person can oversee them all.
    (she did work as a corporate lawyer for 4 years after she graduated, which is something)

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