I don't want to start ructions here but do you REALLY think life is that rosy on the dole???? Yeah am sure you will trot out examples of folk you know but for the vast majority of people on the dole life is no treat and damned hard these days.
All I know is that I earn more now than most of the managers I met in retail (exception being the store general manger who was on about £60k (PC-World, large retail chain)). And I'm pretty sure my job is easier and less stressful as well.
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I get annoyed by the people that say things along the lines of "Oh I don't get enough money, I'm really struggling every day", "do you work?", "No" then there's your problem don't think you'll get sympathy off me. Anyone can get a job and I'd always work even if I had to scrub toilets out for a living I wouldn't stop. I know too many people around me that don't work, never work and live very easy lives.
You only have to watch an episode of Jeremy Kyle to see that 1. None of them have any teeth for some strange reason, 2. They're all doing drugs and freely admit they use benefit money to do so, 3. They all seem to this "Yob-Factor" about them.
I must say I have been on the dole for 4 months while searching for a job but every single day I was out there handing my CV's into shops all over Shropshire I'd use the money I was given to get a friggin job not pay for tobacco, alcohol or cannibis. A lot of people are legitimate and are on the same boat I was and are doing their best this comment ISN'T for those people only for the people that can't be to do anything with themselves and expect free money from the government.
You need to be able to separate those who are genuinely on the dole and seeking work and those who are playing the system and handing their techniques down to their offspring. Yet again its a case of the political class being horrified at what they see on Jeremy Kyle yet they are the ones who have created this.
Just done a very quick and dirty run through of the benefits calculator here - Benefits Calculator - entitledto - independent | accurate | reliable
Family of 6, both parents unemployed, in a 3 bed council house. No disabilities. Turns out the total benefits is £27,500. Or £13,750 per adult. If one adult got a job at national minimum wage the household income increases to £32,600.
Be interested what scenerio is needed to hit £60k pa. Are we targeting the disabled as benefits cheats?
I'm targeting the benefits cheats as benefits cheats.
The genuinely disabled deserve help.
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Her brother also on benefits is classed as disabled, he has ADHD and since finding out he could get disability benefit he quit his job (where he was paid cash) and started on the dole, earns 3x the amount and is now seen as eligible for a brand new motability car of his choosing all insurance paid for etc... I would just like to say thank you to the state for supporting the folk that do work.
...but the vast majority of people getting benefits do not cheat the system. Lets not get all Daily Mail about this and return to the original premise of the thread. @abillybob - I would look for another job if I were you. You have a good skillset and someone wouldnt have to pay you a huge salary to entice you (it would be huge to you, but not them, if you see what I mean)
raimon (10th June 2014)
IMHO the disabled are being punished the most out of all benefit claimants. The biggest stick they get hit with is the benefit formerly known as DLA with the higher rate mobility allowance. I don't know if people are aware of the motability scheme but it means you can use that portion of your DLA to get a lease vehicle with full maintenance plan. The newspapers of course report this as a "free car" it's not they pay for it.
They used to have the choice of pretty much any car you liked as long as you were prepared to put the extra money in upfront for the expensive vehicles, again the media were then banging on about the disabled driving around in BMWs (I have never seen this!). Most of the no deposit cars are the basic stuff things like Zafiras, fiat 500L+2 or the tiny cars like smartcars pug 1007 stuff like that. Due to the media reporting the payment system has been massively overworked to prevent people getting as much choice and as a result they've removed nearly all automatics which is just brilliant for disabled drivers!!!
Don't even get me started on the PIP assessments, our local office is on the 3rd floor of a building with no lifts, this office was specifically leased to assess DISABLED PEOPLE!!! Genius so now the DWP are having to pay for taxis for people to do a 80 mile round trip to the next nearest centre that is disabled friendly.
Bedroom tax - now if this had been done sensibly it could've been a good thing, helping people move from big homes after the kids have left but the problem is there's nowhere for these people to go, so what happens? They leave their cheaper rented accomodation into smaller private rented with much high rent and then HB picks up a BIGGER bill! Again the disabled/sick get punished for having separate bedrooms or for storing equipment, David Cameron has lied to parliament many many times saying disabled people are exempt from bedroom tax, they ARE NOT exempt.
Access to benefits is joke, new PIP claims taking over 8 months to be sorted, that's 8 months with NO money from DLA/PIP. There was a story recently where an older man dialled 999 to say i'm going to shoot myself over not having any money for 6 months, police arrived and he'd done it, all over benefits not being assessed in a timely fashion.
Then we move on to the passport debacle hundreds of thousands of passports are backed up because there isn't enough staff to process them, meaning although people applied in plenty of time they may not get their holiday because of the Home Office mess. BTW last year the passport office made a surplus of £63m so why all the cutbacks if they were making a profit???
Honestly this country is turning into a really nasty place to live if you have the cheek to become ill/disabled. I'm terrified for when the time inevitably comes for me need to claim these benefits as my illness progresses and i'm made out by the government and media to be an evil scrounger.
witch I have been looking on websites like TES and on here on Directgov etc... every week but nothing has come up Personally I'd prefer to stay in education as I like working with the children but to earn a little bit more wouldn't go a miss!
Joanne (10th June 2014)
I am in the wrong job, but hey ho it is a job, better than no job or is it hmmm. Nice panda btw
Bananas (10th June 2014)
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