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General Chat Thread, World Cup! in General; Originally Posted by Earthling So tonight, Holland will beat Argentina, we'll have a Germany v Holland Final (again) and I'll ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthling View Post
    So tonight, Holland will beat Argentina, we'll have a Germany v Holland Final (again) and I'll want them both to lose (again).
    Quote Originally Posted by Joanne View Post
    Nah I reckon Argentina have got this one.
    I feel sorry for whoever faces Germany after that performance. It has to be a bit nerve wracking for anyone to have watched that and know they may have to face them in the final.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    I feel sorry for whoever faces Germany after that performance. It has to be a bit nerve wracking for anyone to have watched that and know they may have to face them in the final.
    Might not be so nerve wracking for any team that doesn't play like a bunch of bufoons.

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    OK
    So I know nothing about football...I watched the game last night and I want to know what happened?
    Aren't Brazil supposed to be a really good team? Why did it all go wrong? Can someone give me a proper answer?
    (I know Germany are good but other teams have fought better against them)

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    Quote Originally Posted by witch View Post
    OK
    So I know nothing about football...I watched the game last night and I want to know what happened?
    Aren't Brazil supposed to be a really good team? Why did it all go wrong? Can someone give me a proper answer?
    (I know Germany are good but other teams have fought better against them)
    I'll try to be as brief as I can.

    Brazil were a team with flair and panache, but this year, they've lost that spark. They're still a technically gifted side, but they lost 2 of their best players, one which scored goals, the other which held the defensive line, which made them somewhat formidable. This and there have been allegations that various officials have been bribed to allow the Brazilians to be a bit more wreckless and destructive (dangerous tackles which could break legs, elbows to the face etc).

    The 2 players they lost were Neymar (who has a broken back from the last game), and Thiago Silva (through a yellow card in the previous game which saw him out of the game last night). Thiago Silva was a player who held the defense together, he rallied them so they didn't play too far forward, and didn't commit such dangerous openings like last night, and Neymar is a goalscorer who does his job very well.

    The officials last night were allegedly swapped out an hour before the game so that any bribery attempts and allegations could not be made, and this annoyed the Brazilians no end. Germany however, showed just how ruthless they can be. The end result was a team who were clinical and efficient, against a team with 2 of its best players who made sure mistakes were not made as often.

    Brazil frankly showed that they are a team with no gumption, committed wreck-less fouls (even in this game), and were beaten in the way that they deserved. It also goes to show that when the home crowd starts cheering for the away team (as happened last night), they've done something very very very wrong. Also at the end of the game, the Brazilians were booed off the pitch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by witch View Post
    OK
    So I know nothing about football...I watched the game last night and I want to know what happened?
    Aren't Brazil supposed to be a really good team? Why did it all go wrong? Can someone give me a proper answer?
    (I know Germany are good but other teams have fought better against them)
    My opinion:

    This Brazil team is not good. They rely on one player, Neymar, who was missing through injury. They were also missing defender Thiago Silver. Without those they were a complete shambles. Their progress to the semis flattered their performances and was mainly due to biased reffing, last night they had an unbiased ref and they were found out. As I said above, they looked like a team of buffoons.

    Brazil are in decline as a footballing nation, they have changed the way they play from the old free flowing exciting football to boring pragmatism. In the words of Juninho (old Brazil player and World Cup winner)
    "Germany taught us how to play football. They played the way we liked to play so we need to sit back, see what is wrong with Brazilian football - especially in the academies, the way we teach them to play. A lot of change will need to come."
    Here's a good article to read: BBC Sport - World Cup 2014: Brazil must learn lessons from Germany humiliation

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    So it really all came down to two players who were not there?

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    Essentially yes, those 2 players ensured the rest played to full potential and helped them be a decent team.

    It is concerning though that it happened like it did, but to be honest, Germany had to put Brazil in their place so they learned a lesson and can actually recover and look at what is wrong with South American Football.
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    Quote Originally Posted by witch View Post
    So it really all came down to two players who were not there?
    No I don't think so, no two players could make that much difference. They did manage to drag the rest into some kind of shape though. Read the article I linked above

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    It was the balls fault, it kept going over the goal line.

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    I've just put a bet down.

    3-1 win to Netherlands, with Van Persie, Robben and Messi to score, and half time score of 1-1

    Odds on half time score being 1-1 and final score being 3-1 is 85/1
    Odds on Van Persie to score is 2/1
    Odds on Robben to score is 12/5
    Odds on Messi to score is 6/5

    Total odds is 1929/1

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    Quote Originally Posted by nephilim View Post
    I've just put a bet down.

    3-1 win to Netherlands, with Van Persie, Robben and Messi to score, and half time score of 1-1

    Odds on half time score being 1-1 and final score being 3-1 is 85/1
    Odds on Van Persie to score is 2/1
    Odds on Robben to score is 12/5
    Odds on Messi to score is 6/5

    Total odds is 1929/1
    Isn't Van Persie an injury doubt?

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    Nope, confirmed as fit for the match earlier according to sky sports news (was watching on way into work)

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    had a stomach bug, want to put a bet on that he'll do a lineker and have an accident on the pitch....

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    I have an hour to cancel the bet anyways, so I may just do so just in case.

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    Also, not sure if legit....but....

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